(April 17, 2012 at 3:49 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote:When did I ever say there was no natural evidence? Either you lack comprehension or you are being manipulative with my words. I don't think you're dumb, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.(April 17, 2012 at 3:35 pm)Abishalom Wrote:(April 17, 2012 at 2:57 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote:(April 17, 2012 at 3:45 am)Abishalom Wrote:(April 16, 2012 at 11:25 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: Fair enough, show us some supernatural evidence. :-)
What is supernatural evidence? All we have is natural evidence and it suggests that it was created by some higher power (God). The burden of proof lies on the prosecutor who has to prove beyond reasonable doubt guilty/nonexistence. So in other words to claim that God does not exists you would to possess all possible evidence (we do not have). So the best you could do is prove that all the natural evidence we have suggests nonexistence unanimously without a hint (reasonable doubt) that God did it.
So... you don't have any "supernatural evidence"? Is that what you're saying? It seems suspiciously close to that.
Look, its a very simple question. Did I sound like I was claiming anything? The burden of proof is on the person trying to prove something exists and before you say you aren't, you are. You're going on about how natural evidence doesn't cut it for the supernatural, well fine.
Do you have any supernatural evidence or not.
Wipe away the tears, sweat and shame and try again. Honestly, its fine. I'll wait. :-)
Exactly. What is supernatural evidence? The proof for God is in nature. God is not in nature, but the proof of His existence is in His creation. Think of it like a signature. The burden of proof is on the prosecutor. I am making no claims. I believe that God exists, and that He created everything. I gave my reason (or proof) for this belief. The only claims being made is by the prosecutors(God does not exist or the evidence concludes nonexistence).
Oh ho ho ho. *Bad* choice of words. You said there was no natural evidence and now you're saying proof of his existence is in nature! Do I sense bullshit? I think I do! I also think you'll find thats a claim in itself without any justification. Can you back that claim up? No? Could you point out the claims I've made in this thread? No!?

Quote:I think you'll find thats game, set and match. :-)Well you got the game part right because you obviously like playing games. But you're the atheist. What is the logic behind this position?