RE: Epicurean Paradox
April 18, 2012 at 1:36 am
(This post was last modified: April 18, 2012 at 1:54 am by TheJackel.)
Quote:As God is the infinite "I am" there in lies his definition.
truthfully I can not even begin to comprehend all that that means. So i am stuck with the simple explanation. God is whoever he wants to be.
Am I your GOD? ... Truthfully, I don't think you bothered to comprehend what that means.
Quote:It is not my fault you guys do not take the time to process what is given and simply assert what you remember christianity to be about.
I've been a Christian for over 20 years.. This argument of yours is rather irrelevant in the light of what you are trying to "Install"...
Quote:you have to learn to separate Religious teachings (the works thoughts and traditions of man) from actual scriptural teaching. I have found in my time that most of you identify Christianity and the christian religion to be one in the same. Religious Christianity or pop christianity deviates from the bible in order to fill in silent spots, and to under gird popular christian doctrine. To give people the answers they want to hear rather than represent what the bible teaches.
Ever hear of Christian Atheists? .. And if you actually read the bible like I have, you would actually understand the nonsense of your position.
Quote:The Doctrine that supports the Omni Aspects of God (Including Omni benevolence) is one such doctrine. God is All Good but not to the fickle standards of man. God's goodness looks beyond your current life to your eternal life and seeks the path for you that will yield the greater good. God has no obligation to give you the good you see and want now. Therefore God is not omni benevolent as the doctrine suggests nor how those outside of the faith like EP interprets that term.
Omni-GOD is a logical fallacy and a self-refutation. It's rather pointless to even discuss.
Quote:God is All Good but not to the fickle standards of man.
It's funny when the fickle minds of men can imagine something far more grander that the concept of GOD you are pushing... Basically your entire argument is utter bullshit, and nothing more than trying to preach a carrot as an incentive to try and make people believe in a GOD. That's called snake oil sales pitch of magical promises of eternal life "if you just believe"... Talk about a mind clap trap. Worst yet, your struggling for cop-out arguments and ways to circumvent the problems of your argument.. Talk about fail!
Quote:Again which pain should God look to limit or eliminate? what we feel now or what takes place on an eternal level, and should He sacrifice one for the other?
How about your fear of mortality to which you are clearly projecting here? It seems you want to live forever so badly that you will believe in any fairy tale that will promise you this so called "eternalness". Basically, you are scared shitless of reality. And to answer your question... Why not eliminate all pain and suffering and have everythying be of pure eternal bliss? Oh maybe because you know it's BS!
Quote:. This life is not purposed in order that we may learn how to make formal wishes, trades or demands of God simply by following a given set of rules. This is the departure in which i was speak about from the EP's paradox. His gods promised a good life and did not deliver. God promises a Hard life and that we have in abundance. The paradox does not stand because it does not apply to God in relation to what happens in this life.
Sure it applies... And basically what you are doing is self-inventing excuses for a bomb maker.. And what asshole promises someone a hard life of suffering? Yeah, your rationalizations or psychotic to say the least. Go starve your child and then try to make that rationalization to the police as some sort of defense. And if you ever bothered to read the bible, you would know the said deity promises to "prosper you".. What utter bull shit.. Especially when it's a man invented personal pasted on a volcano GOD.
Quote:was born without the ability to speak or to eat solid foods, that does not mean I have to live the next 70 or 80 years equip with what I are born with.
Yet you were born Atheist. And of course you don't have to live your life being an Atheist since you could just as easily decide to worship the dust bunny on my desk as GOD. Your reply to his argument really had relevance to the fact stated.
Quote:Read it and put into practice the promises it makes. If you note a change when you follow the directions then be faithful to what you are given and you will be given more. At some point (depending on your heart and your willingness to make biblical (not religious) changes) in your life you will come face to face with God. At that point nothing anyone else has to say about the bible or christianity being just anther work of religious fiction will matter. you will know for yourself Who God is and where you stand. This will not be a easy journey, but you can take comfort in the fact you will not be given more than what you can bear.
Plus as you progress you will have more and more access to God and what He has promised to the faithful.
After reading the bible, all I have to do to meet your GOD is go watch a Volcano erupt.. The rest of your argument is just bull shit, or nothing more than expression of common philosophies that even date back before Christianity even existed. Buddhism can just as equally change peoples lives ect.. You are making pointless arguments to try and make up for your lack of ability to deposit any sort of intellectually sound argument on this subject.
Quote:but you can take comfort in the fact you will not be given more than what you can bear.
Yeah tell that to children in Sudan.. Such ignorance is utterly amazing to say the least.
Quote:He makes himself known to all who Ask, Seek and Knock as outlined in Luke 11. Why else do you think so many have worshiped so long?
Again a load of shit.. Been there done that.. Also, this is how brainwashing works.. Magically if you "choose to believe", god magically exists! But if you don't, GOD magically doesn't exist!. Funny how that bs works eh? Convince someone an idea is real by brainwashing and getting themselves to attach an emotional bond with that idea and you can pretty much make them believe it, or anything for that matter concerning it.. And to answer your question:
1. Ignorance
2. Fear of death
3. Brainwashing
4. Profit
5. Control of the masses
6. Power
7. Social conditioning and peer pressure
8. Parents do
9. Wanting to live forever
10. Fear of reality
11. Poor education
I could list more, but it would be beating a dead horse
Quote:If you learn to look from where He would have you look then clarity is offered.
Do you have GPS coordinates for us? Oh you mean look inside our hearts and minds and then magically equate them to GOD.. Yeah more brainwashing BS.
Quote:Answers from God are like those found in this thread. You have a beginning of knowledge because you continued/knocked to ask and seek till you got what you were looking for.
What utter bull shit.. You have any idea how many cults and religions make up similar mind wiping concepts and arguments? There a no answers from "GOD" in this thread.. And we would love to see you prove that argument lol. Hence that is quite a bold claim you have there sir. Care to prove it? Yeah I didn't think so.. Nothing like modern day Charlatans.
Quote:If you think your quoted passage is indeed comparing the gods of Epicurus to the Hebrew God. Your reading comprehension is probably not where it should be to have these conversations. At least to the degree where you are insisting on asserting points that have nothing to do with the topic at hand.
Compare your GOD to the Pantheist GOD and you haven't got shit.. Yeah, the Pantheist GOD is literally Existence itself to which is the governor and the entirety of all that exists.. So what is your GOD without existence? Well, it's meaningless, pointless, worthless, purposeless, useless, irrelevant, and literally non-existent! And if you had any reading comprehension of the bible, or an actual understanding of the history of the religion you would know it's a mutt of many other religions and beliefs the per-existed it. And you would know the GOD in question is actually just a flipping Volcano.
Quote:None of which have anything to do with the Hebrew God.
This might help you:
Yahweh: The worshiping of a Volcano / fire GOD of War.
Quote:perhaps you should take some time and research this paradox before further commenting.
Likewise.. Apparently you can't handle it either, and seek the need to try and rationalize it all by claiming it all doesn't apply to your GOD because you feel he's righteous regardless of he does or doesn't supposedly do. Basically turning morality, love, and other concepts into something entirely meaningless concepts.
Quote:The epicurean paradox does not make such a compareson. you do, and no I do not agree with you.
Lets put it this way.. All loving GOD wouldn't care what you did in life... It would infinitely love you regardless.. It's called unconditional love. So you could murder a billion people and he would come to your house and hug you and tell you how much he loves what you did, and how much he loves you for it. And all the while hugging those victims and loving them for being victims. It would mean he loves violence, hate, anger, love, destruction, bigotry, compassion, empathy, the lack of empathy, and every thing you can possibly list and imagine here.
Perhaps you can list the Omni's you attach to your GOD?