(April 18, 2012 at 1:36 am)TheJackel Wrote: Am I your GOD? ... Truthfully, I don't think you bothered to comprehend what that means.Then please explain.
Quote:Ever hear of Christian Atheists? .. And if you actually read the bible like I have, you would actually understand the nonsense of your position.Then please open and thread and explain.
Quote:Omni-GOD is a logical fallacy and a self-refutation. It's rather pointless to even discuss.agreed
Quote:It's funny when the fickle minds of men can imagine something far more grander that the concept of GOD you are pushing... Basically your entire argument is utter bullshit, and nothing more than trying to preach a carrot as an incentive to try and make people believe in a GOD.Show me the carrot.
Quote:That's called snake oil sales pitch of magical promises of eternal life "if you just believe"... Talk about a mind clap trap. Worst yet, your struggling for cop-out arguments and ways to circumvent the problems of your argument.. Talk about fail!like what? What would be an example of a cop-out argument?
Quote:How about your fear of mortality to which you are clearly projecting here?I have been at deaths door (and even stepped in once) many times in my life. I do not fear death. Judgment on the other hand, is something I did fear. Perhaps that is why i held on to my atheist views as long as I did. (If there was no God then I could not be judged. So I need to kill the idea of God. However If there was a God then He could not rightfully judge me lest he prove himself to me.) Sound familiar?
Quote: It seems you want to live forever so badly that you will believe in any fairy tale that will promise you this so called "eternalness". Basically, you are scared shitless of reality. And to answer your question... Why not eliminate all pain and suffering and have everything be of pure eternal bliss? Oh maybe because you know it's BS!Actually the thought of eternity scares me a little more than an eternal nothingness. If nothing were to happen then it would not matter. If we live for an eternity everything matters.
Quote:Sure it applies... And basically what you are doing is self-inventing(By the way of the bible)
Quote:excuses for a bomb maker.. And what asshole promises someone a hard life of suffering? Yeah, your rationalizations or psychotic to say the least. Go starve your child and then try to make that rationalization to the police as some sort of defense.Actually I was the little boy who refused to eat anything besides hot dog chips and cookies and after loosing more than a few pounds the police were called and came to the house. Where they saw the food my mom made, and they saw my refusal to eat. where they promptly told me if I did not eat here and now they would take me to the hospital and have the doctors mash up my mothers dinner and pump it into my stomach every day till I did eat on my own. After a big fit and them telling my dad to carry me to their car I ate, and have been eating every since on my own.
I say all of this to reinforce the idea that you are not a child being starved, you are a stubborn one who will not eat what has been provided.
Quote:And if you ever bothered to read the bible, you would know the said deity promises to "prosper you"..Question, in this life or the next? Plus do you have book chapter and verse to support your coming assertion?
For that matter do you have book chapter and verse to support your last one?
Quote:Yeah tell that to children in Sudan.. Such ignorance is utterly amazing to say the least.You are not asked to carry their burden by yourself, you are only asked to make their burden lighter. If you fail to do what has been asked of you then it is not the fault of God.
Yes their burden is great when compared to all that you have, but what I have found in when people grow up in those situations they do not see life as a burden. Many people they we have reached out to can find happiness and contentment in what little they have.
For they (generally speaking) have a richness in spirit that all that you have can not provide for you. Meaning in where it counts many of them have more than you would even know to ask for.
Quote:Again a load of shit.. Been there done that..The fact that you are "done with that" means you have not asked sought or knocked as outlined in Luke 11. For the persistent neighbor did not stop till He got what he was asking for. Did you get what you were asking and seeking after?
Quote: 1. Ignoranceagreed, but after more than 2 millennia if a measure of people did not actually come in contact with God. the religion would die out or change to meet the coming generations demands. history records this pattern over and over again.
2. Fear of death
3. Brainwashing
4. Profit
5. Control of the masses
6. Power
7. Social conditioning and peer pressure
8. Parents do
9. Wanting to live forever
10. Fear of reality
11. Poor education
Quote:Do you have GPS coordinates for us?Better I have a link:
http://www.biblegateway.com/
Quote:What utter bull shit.. You have any idea how many cults and religions make up similar mind wiping concepts and arguments? There a no answers from "GOD" in this thread.. And we would love to see you prove that argument lol. Hence that is quite a bold claim you have there sir. Care to prove it? Yeah I didn't think so.. Nothing like modern day Charlatans.That is just It I am to do nothing but pointing the way. If you want proof then petition God yourself. all i am here to do is show you the form that tells you how to do this.
Quote:Lets put it this way.. All loving GOD wouldn't care what you did in life... It would infinitely love you regardless.. It's called unconditional love. So you could murder a billion people and he would come to your house and hug you and tell you how much he loves what you did, and how much he loves you for it. And all the while hugging those victims and loving them for being victims. It would mean he loves violence, hate, anger, love, destruction, bigotry, compassion, empathy, the lack of empathy, and every thing you can possibly list and imagine here.I don't know what I am doing wrong here, maybe someone else can explain it in a way that you can understand. I will try one more time. The God of the bible does not claim to be Omni benevolent. God offers Agape love which is very conditional. In fact there are four words in the Greek that all get translated into the word Love. none of which (in their original form) mean unconditional love. This idea of unconditional love is a construct of religion apart from the bible. Even apart from the Koine Greek itself so it could not be apart of Christianity as it was intended.
Quote:Perhaps you can list the Omni's you attach to your GOD?Again the omni aspects of God are not a biblical teaching, so none. My God is not limited by the omni aspects others would place on Him.