(April 17, 2012 at 10:08 pm)genkaus Wrote: You do realize that if all of existence was actually subjective, then it would necessarily require some super-soul meta-physics? Subjective means dependent upon a consciousness. If all of existence were subjective, then it would necessarily require an underlying consciousness (the super-soul) it can depend upon. I think what you are trying to indicate here (and what quantum mechanics actually confirms), is not about the subjective-vs-objective nature of reality, but about the fully determined-vs-fundamentally indeterminate nature.
To my knowledge, no subjectivity (fundamental dependence of consciousness) has ever been established.
Determined/undetermined are collapsed or uncollapsed states that are relative points of view (Rovelli). Points of view are information values and such information has no absolute value (Shannon). Values are relative/subjective (Einstein) [subjectivity was eatablished]. Conciousness is not required to collapse states (Zeilinger). Therefore consciousness is indistinguishable from any other material state (Bitbol) [subjectivity is independent of consciousness].
There. No super soul.
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