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God, come out, come out wherever you are!
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RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are!
tegh Wrote:See, when you say that a person is entirely responsible for being in hell, and that it's wrong for a Christian to not witness, you're making a big mess for yourself.

I'm not making a mess for myself, I've read the rest of the post, you are trying to lay blame on Larry for Bob going to hell, it doesn't work that way, period. Scripture makes it plain that one is responsible for one's own salvation, even if they do not hear the Gospel of Christ. The premise here is that Larry and Bob live in a society where the message comes from many different sources. Bob therefore has no reason to blame anyone but Bob. Yeah, Larry was not a responsible Christian, he will have to deal with that before Christ when he dies.
tegh Wrote:Let's say for example, Bob is a nonbeliever, and Larry is a Christian. Larry and Bob are life long friends, but Larry never witnesses to him. In fact, to Bob, Larry is just as secular as he is. Bob eventually dies in his sins. At judgement day, God in effect says to Bob, "I never knew you" and cast him in the lake of fire because Bob never believed out of his free will. Larry eventually dies, God allows him into heaven because he believed but mentions "You never shared the gospel to Bob, and he never believed, and now he's in Hell. You should be ashamed of yourself! Didn't I command you to share the gospel to everyone? ......

I removed the last sentence to keep this respectable. You have stated exactly what Larry faces when he meets Christ, except Christ will not blame him because Bob is in hell, that was Bob's choice. As I said the Gospel is everywhere for Bob to hear, and yes I'm considering the premise of your little story.

tegh Wrote:So which is it? Is Bob in Hell because he never believed or is he in Hell because Larry never witnessed to him? If he's in Hell because it's his own free fault, then witnessing is irrelevant. But if he's in Hell because Larry didn't witness to him, then his doom is the result of Larry not giving him enough information. It also means that it's not his fault, but someone else's.

Bob is in hell because he either never made the effort to find out about the Gospel of Christ that was all around him (I will not assume or accept that Bob was a recluse since he saw his friend Larry living a secular life style), or he rejected what he was told or saw by and in other Christians.
Larry did not witness to him and that was wrong, there was however other opportunities. Again the scriptures make it clear that one is responsible for one's salvation. Larry is not at fault.

Now it's my turn to tell a little story, Teaearlgreyhot has a friend Sweet Tea, Sweet Tea tells Teaeralgreyhot he's going to rob a bank and Teaearlgreyhot did not tell his friend not to do it, because if he is caught he will go to jail. Sweet Tea robs the bank and is caught in the act, he's found guilty and has to go to prison, but before he leaves the court he tells the judge that his friend did not tell him it was against the law to rob the bank, and shouldn't Teaearlgreyhot have to go to jail to, if he had only told me I might not have robbed the bank. So, should Teaearlgreyhot be held accountable for the crime also.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by Matt231 - April 28, 2012 at 10:29 pm
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by Godschild - April 29, 2012 at 6:20 pm
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by C Rod - April 29, 2012 at 4:19 am
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by Drich - April 29, 2012 at 9:02 am
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by Drich - April 29, 2012 at 11:49 am
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by genkaus - April 30, 2012 at 12:06 am
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by Drich - April 30, 2012 at 10:08 am
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by genkaus - April 30, 2012 at 11:47 am
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by Cinjin - April 29, 2012 at 10:22 am
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by Drich - April 29, 2012 at 8:36 pm
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by C Rod - April 29, 2012 at 9:10 am
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by C Rod - April 29, 2012 at 9:20 am
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by C Rod - April 29, 2012 at 9:36 am
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by Tobie - April 29, 2012 at 9:40 am
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by C Rod - April 29, 2012 at 9:43 am
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by C Rod - April 29, 2012 at 9:49 am
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by C Rod - April 29, 2012 at 10:02 am
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by C Rod - April 29, 2012 at 10:15 am
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by C Rod - April 29, 2012 at 10:37 am
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by C Rod - April 29, 2012 at 10:41 am
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by C Rod - April 29, 2012 at 10:43 am
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by C Rod - April 29, 2012 at 10:49 am
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by C Rod - April 29, 2012 at 11:11 am
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by C Rod - April 29, 2012 at 11:22 am
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by Drich - April 29, 2012 at 6:57 pm
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by Ryft - April 29, 2012 at 9:31 pm
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by Matt231 - April 30, 2012 at 10:56 pm
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by Matt231 - April 30, 2012 at 11:20 pm
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by Matt231 - April 30, 2012 at 11:46 pm
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by Matt231 - April 30, 2012 at 11:30 pm
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by Ryft - April 30, 2012 at 5:00 am
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by C Rod - April 30, 2012 at 8:56 pm
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by Ryft - May 10, 2012 at 10:24 am

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