RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are!
May 1, 2012 at 6:21 pm
(This post was last modified: May 1, 2012 at 6:24 pm by Black Chakram.)
(May 1, 2012 at 5:41 pm)Matt231 Wrote:(May 1, 2012 at 5:32 pm)Black Chakram Wrote: Ok. So tell me this. What do you believe? What things, for you, are worth saying, "Yep. This seems true and I'm willing to believe it"Things based on logic and experience. Since the concept of God is clearly fictional, and apparently he is unwilling to show himself to me or give me any sign that he is real, I have to conclude that God does not exist. There needs to be some kind of evidence. People only believe in God because many years ago, a lot of stupid people saw the bible as fact, and it mutated into religion.
Prove it. Can you use logic and experience to prove that the only things worth believing are those provable through logic and experience? If logic and experience are the basis of your beliefs, you should be able to prove why they're the basis of those beliefs using those very principles.
(May 1, 2012 at 5:25 pm)Matt231 Wrote:(May 1, 2012 at 5:11 pm)Black Chakram Wrote: And why am I here on this forum? Because I believe any Christian that just blindly follows their beliefs without testing them is a fool. I'm not here to convert anyone. (If someone WERE to change their mind, it certainly wouldn't be through any argument I put forth.) I'm here to see if anyone can come up with an argument against Christianity that challenges me to look at my beliefs.Are you fucking kidding me? You're the one making the claim. YOU need to provide arguments, not us.
So far, I haven't heard anything particularly challenging.
Take away the bible. Now, without it, prove that God exists. You can't use it as evidence. It's a fucking fictional book that has been around a lot longer than you have, so you can't possibly know it can be fully trusted.
That's not how this works. If you're so adamant that a God DOESN'T exist, then you're under just as much pressure to provide proof as I am. Otherwise, how can you so strongly support the idea that He DOESN'T exist? If you demand proof from me, show it yourself.
"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with senses, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use and by some other means to give us knowledge which we can attain by them."
-- Galileo Galilei
-- Galileo Galilei