atheists and "conspiracy" theories

[Shell B]

Wow, I hope you are being facetious on that one!!! It is just something called perspective!

We're not talking about an abstract painting. We are talking about a very complicated process. Not taking a closer look is pure folly.

True. The whole is made up of parts. But if you don't know how to put these parts together, then all you have is a scattered and fragmented mess of "details".

If you don't know all the details, all you have is an assumption. The people here have not naysayed based on details. We have put the whole picture together or, at least, most of it.

That is a false assumption. I think most atheists are very willing to sort thru facts. I just don't want to waste effort squibbling over petty crumbs.

If you consider the details of the facts involved to be petty crumbs, I don't think I will bother with this conversation anymore. If you don't want to understand the how and why, that is your problem. Don't waste my time asking me to look at a "big picture" assertion while ignoring the brush strokes that make up the picture.

You could not have said it better. This statement goes BOTH WAYS does it not?

Indeed. I have no preconceived notions about it. The bad guys died that day, so I have no reason to seek more bad guys. I'm just looking at the scenario as it stands. You, on the other hand, want a bad guy to blame, in my mind.

You are assuming that I am coming from a place of ignorance because I disagree with you.

I'm afraid I reached that conclusion once you started dismissing details because they were too detailish for you.

I don't feel that way. That is extremist. There is a lot of good that gov. provides and I believe it is necessary in the modern world. But... historically all powerful governments get too big and hungry and want to control everything. Just read world history and see.

Hehe, you told me to read world history. Name a single government that attacked its own people and covered it up in order to start a foreign war. Give me one that was proven. Just one.

The fact of it is, and history will show you, governments don't need to do shit like that to wage war. They could fear monger and make up heaps of lies that would have the same effect. Propaganda is very, very good at that and far more cost effective. I'm also going to go ahead and add that shithead leaders and governments that attack their own people are always found out. You can't cover that shit up. History will show you that too. Russia, on numerous occasions, is an excellent example. China, nearly every country in Africa, Germany and even the United States (internment camps anyone?) are more examples. More often than not, they get away with it. The government of the U.S. has no reason to do it now, though. This system is such that attacks, forced labor, etc. are useless. America is much more lucrative to officials when its people are working hard for war. World War II is an excellent example of that. Give me motive that stands up. Come on.

Want to talk history some more?