(May 2, 2012 at 2:04 pm)Welsh cake Wrote:
Well, Godschild said it right when he mentioned he didn't come here to convert people. That's clearly beyond any of these theists' capabilities.
You are correct none of use are capable of salvation, only God can grant salvation through faith your faith in Christ.
(May 2, 2012 at 2:55 am)Godschild Wrote: Foreknowledge is not predetermination. Just because God has foreknowledge of all history, and that history will come to pass, doesn't pose a problem for free will. The individuals in that history are free to make their decision as they see fit. Notice decision is in the singular, one decision that all are free to make, salvation. Outside of salvation it's ultimately up to God, through His will.
Wc Wrote:So regarding those who wind up in Hell, they're there because god simply didn't care all that much about them? That the fate of their "souls" was neglected by the one who knew they were going to be in danger and yet that one did nothing?
God cares about everyone, where did you get the idea He doesn't?
God neglects no one, again where did you get the idea He does?
Wc Wrote:Or are you saying he didn't neglect them but every person has multiple chances to avoid removing themselves from god's grace?
God gives everyone chances, how many only He knows. Even though He knows that a person will not ever accept Christ, out of His love He still gives them an opportunity for salvation, He desires that no one be lost.
Wc Wrote:Back up a second, you're the type of Christian that believes god does not love everyone correct? So it is neglect and both parties, the sinner and god, are both to blame for the 'wastage' of soul?
No I'm not, God is love, it is who He is, God loves all. God is not to blame, the one has the free will to accept or reject the salvation that comes through faith in Christ.
Wc Wrote:Or maybe god's having a recession in Heaven and is simply trimming the fat and tightening up the belt ready for massive cuts mentioned in his "love budget" what do you think?
God has the entire universe at His disposal, being that He created the universe He could create whatever He desires. Christ is building mansions in heaven, He has one for me, one so magnificent that nothing on earth could ever compare.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.