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They can't help it? Who said? That is not what biblical Christianity teaches, Tegh. They willingly choose to sin, so it is just for God to condemn them to hell.

When you that say “they” (the non-elect) willingly choose to sin, does that mean that the elect do not sin, or at least, do not willingly sin? If you say, no, both groups willingly sin, then what’s the difference between the elect and non-elect?

All choose to willfully sin, sin is a condition of man, it's part of free will. The difference between the elect and non-elect simply is this, not all that are called will choose Christ, this is Biblical. Matt.22:1-14 is the parable of the wedding feast. In this parable there were those invited and did not come, the king sent out his servants once again to call those invited to come to the feast, they refused, and some were violent, killing some of the servants. The king became angry with these who were violent to his servants and destroyed them. The king sent out servant again, told them to call all they could find, many came to the feast, but one was there who was not in wedding clothing, he had no answer for why he was there, the king had him bond and thrown into the darkness. All were called few were chosen. The king=God, the servants=witnesses or the Word of God, the original ones invited=people who believed they were good enough to ignore the king, the others that were called=those who were grateful to be a part of the kings good nature, the one not in the wedding clothes=those who become part of the church to be seen, not caring to be a true wedding guest, that is a real christian. This parable is about those who are called to be a part of God's kingdom, church.

God apparently decided to save one group of sinners and leave the rest of the sinners to burn in hell for eternal torment. If both groups are willful sinners, then the only reason the non-elect went to hell, is because they were non-elect. They never got the opportunity for Christ to die for them, and they were never called. So I still affirm that they “can’t help it.” If you again say “they willingly choose to sin” therefore they’re justified for being grilled then you have to show how that differentiates them from the elect if the elect also willingly sin.

On this we agree, God being love would not do this. Everyone has a chance at heaven, even those who never hear the gospel, as I explained earlier in this thread. Actually Christ did die only for those who would choose Him, but all are given that chance to chose Him. God desires that none perish, this to me puts an end to predestination.

One last question, do all people God died for respond to God’s call? Are there some he died for that do not respond to his call?

If predestination were true, then the above parable would suggest that not all predestined would choose to join God, in this I would question the ability of God to save anyone. It certainly would mean He would not be capable of holding on to the ones He has called through predestination.