RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are!
May 5, 2012 at 12:52 am
(This post was last modified: May 5, 2012 at 12:53 am by Welsh cake.)
(May 2, 2012 at 6:28 pm)Godschild Wrote: God cares about everyone, where did you get the idea He doesn't?The appalling lack of intervention?
God neglects no one, again where did you get the idea He does?
Quote:God gives everyone chances, how many only He knows. Even though He knows that a person will not ever accept Christ, out of His love He still gives them an opportunity for salvation, He desires that no one be lost.What other desires does he have? At what point does he lose the passion or drive to provide opportunities for salvation? There is obviously a cut-off point or deadline in your theology that can be passed by based upon what we do or don't do so what is it?
Our lifespans are hardly a fair opportunity because not all have lived an equal amount of time for example. Many have died in their infancy before ever accommodating belief in a god or gods.
Quote:God has the entire universe at His disposal, being that He created the universe He could create whatever He desires.That's not very encouraging.
Quote:Christ is building mansions in heaven, He has one for me, one so magnificent that nothing on earth could ever compare.I don't like mansions. I don't like wealth or power or status. I despise all of them. I don't like serving people or being served. I prefer to be alone. That's probably why I'm so incompatible with your notions of god and the afterlife in general.
(May 2, 2012 at 8:44 pm)Ryft Wrote: Not exactly a rational conclusion there, an incompetent broad brush that I find embarrassing on your behalf.Rational isn't the word I would use.
Quote:There are so many issues relevant to why there is disagreement about God that your sweeping dismissal conveniently ignores.I don't find them to be particularly relevant to my life.
Quote:It also indefensibly assumes that we all have the same theology, and even the same deity, when it is blatantly clear to any literate person that we simply do not. You just carelessly assume that all Christians are the same, all worship the same God, and all have the same theology, when the evidence to the contrary is stacked heavily against such an incompetent broad brush.Why don't you all worship the same God?
Quote:Is there not a skeptic anywhere in this forum who would call you out on such a dereliction of reason?And what am I supposed to say to this exactly? Something witty?
Nah. I normally can't be arsed with you Ryft and today is no exception. We just don't see eye-to-eye and never will.
(May 2, 2012 at 11:52 pm)Godschild Wrote: That goes without saying, this however has no bearing on God's love for us. He can and does offer it no matter what one will do. No one can slight God for being just when He has offered His love to all.Assuming for sake of argument god is real, I can. I don't understand what is being put on offer or why its been put on offer or why there has to be a god or what is a god even.
None of it makes any sense.
Quote:God has been and always will be, omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient. Sin is what's wrong with the world, I do not expect you to understand,Then how can anyone be saved if they don't understand what is going on, what fallen state they're in, what doom awaits them or what is required of them to prevent it?
Please don't say you don't expect us to understand. That's anything but a convincing argument or case for god, sin and what's wrong with the world. All that's asserting is something is not properly understood which is a pointless statement to make.
(May 3, 2012 at 6:08 pm)Godschild Wrote: The difference between the elect and non-elect simply is this, not all that are called will choose Christ, this is Biblical. Matt.22:1-14 is the parable of the wedding feast.I'm apathetic to weddings and royalty. Being an asexual anti-royalist I can't relate to either of them. This parable has no meaning for me whatsoever. Find another more suitable one please.
Quote:On this we agree, God being love would not do this. Everyone has a chance at heaven, even those who never hear the gospel, as I explained earlier in this thread. Actually Christ did die only for those who would choose Him, but all are given that chance to chose Him. God desires that none perish, this to me puts an end to predestination.Why would I want Heaven?
Why would I want to be with God?
I didn't even want to come into this life or choose to exist yet it happened anyway. What difference does wanting or needing something or someone make?