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God, come out, come out wherever you are!
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are!
(May 5, 2012 at 12:52 am)Welsh cake Wrote:
(May 2, 2012 at 6:28 pm)Godschild Wrote: God cares about everyone, where did you get the idea He doesn't?
God neglects no one, again where did you get the idea He does?

The appalling lack of intervention?

You would not want God to intervene in your life, now would you. What's truly appalling, man's lack of caring for man, God works through man and if mankind doesn't care then how is He to help. We are the ones at fault that the world is the shape it is, and you think God's suppose to intervene, why, it's our mess.

Quote:God gives everyone chances, how many only He knows. Even though He knows that a person will not ever accept Christ, out of His love He still gives them an opportunity for salvation, He desires that no one be lost.


Wc Wrote:What other desires does he have? At what point does he lose the passion or drive to provide opportunities for salvation? There is obviously a cut-off point or deadline in your theology that can be passed by based upon what we do or don't do so what is it?

Why do you assume that God's passion and drive would ever wan. He will withdraw the opportunity in His perfect timing through His fore knowledge.
God desires our love, worship, obedience and ect., those things we can withhold from Him. Outside of the things we withhold from God, I do not know what He would desire since He can create anything He would want.

Wc Wrote:Our lifespans are hardly a fair opportunity because not all have lived an equal amount of time for example. Many have died in their infancy before ever accommodating belief in a god or gods.

Some people can make a decision quicker than others, your statement is not relevant about the amount of time, also God's foreknowledge comes into the equation. For those that die very young, well there destination is heaven.

Quote:Christ is building mansions in heaven, He has one for me, one so magnificent that nothing on earth could ever compare.

WC Wrote:I don't like mansions. I don't like wealth or power or status. I despise all of them. I don't like serving people or being served. I prefer to be alone. That's probably why I'm so incompatible with your notions of god and the afterlife in general.

All those things you mentioned have nothing to do with you being incompatible with my beliefs in God or eternity, more than likely it's because of your lack of self esteem.

(May 2, 2012 at 11:52 pm)Godschild Wrote: That goes without saying, this however has no bearing on God's love for us. He can and does offer it no matter what one will do. No one can slight God for being just when He has offered His love to all.

Wc Wrote:Assuming for sake of argument god is real, I can. I don't understand what is being put on offer or why its been put on offer or why there has to be a god or what is a god even.None of it makes any sense.

I'm sorry it makes no sense to you, I really wish it did.
God is because He has always been, do not expect a better answer than this from me, my mind can not conceive such vastness.
Salvation from sin and whatever makes you have an attitude where you don't care. From our other discussions it seems to me that you care very little, I hope I'm wrong in my thinking and I certainly do not mean it in a demeaning way. God offers all salvation because He loves us all and it pleases Him when one accepts.


Quote:God has been and always will be, omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient. Sin is what's wrong with the world, I do not expect you to understand,
Then how can anyone be saved if they don't understand what is going on, what fallen state they're in, what doom awaits them or what is required of them to prevent it?

Please don't say you don't expect us to understand. That's anything but a convincing argument or case for god, sin and what's wrong with the world. All that's asserting is something is not properly understood which is a pointless statement to make.


(May 3, 2012 at 6:08 pm)Godschild Wrote: The difference between the elect and non-elect simply is this, not all that are called will choose Christ, this is Biblical. Matt.22:1-14 is the parable of the wedding feast.

Wc Wrote:I'm apathetic to weddings and royalty. Being an asexual anti-royalist I can't relate to either of them. This parable has no meaning for me whatsoever. Find another more suitable one please.

I believe this one to be down to earth, not to rich for our blood so to speak. Matthew 13:3-23 is a parable about a farmer, read all the verses they fit your life.

Quote:On this we agree, God being love would not do this. Everyone has a chance at heaven, even those who never hear the gospel, as I explained earlier in this thread. Actually Christ did die only for those who would choose Him, but all are given that chance to chose Him. God desires that none perish, this to me puts an end to predestination.

Wc Wrote:Why would I want Heaven?

Why would I want to be with God?

I didn't even want to come into this life or choose to exist yet it happened anyway. What difference does wanting or needing something or someone make?

The first two questions you'll have to answer for yourself.
None of us have a choice about coming into existence, or when in history it will happen, that is the way things come about, personally I extremely grateful I'm here, and will be with God forever.
I'm not sure what you're relating to in the last sentence?
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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Messages In This Thread
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by Matt231 - April 28, 2012 at 10:29 pm
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by C Rod - April 29, 2012 at 4:19 am
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by Drich - April 29, 2012 at 9:02 am
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by Drich - April 29, 2012 at 11:49 am
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by genkaus - April 30, 2012 at 12:06 am
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by Drich - April 30, 2012 at 10:08 am
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by genkaus - April 30, 2012 at 11:47 am
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by Cinjin - April 29, 2012 at 10:22 am
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by Drich - April 29, 2012 at 8:36 pm
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by C Rod - April 29, 2012 at 9:10 am
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by C Rod - April 29, 2012 at 9:20 am
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by C Rod - April 29, 2012 at 9:36 am
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by Tobie - April 29, 2012 at 9:40 am
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by C Rod - April 29, 2012 at 9:43 am
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by C Rod - April 29, 2012 at 9:49 am
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by C Rod - April 29, 2012 at 10:02 am
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by C Rod - April 29, 2012 at 10:15 am
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by C Rod - April 29, 2012 at 10:37 am
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by C Rod - April 29, 2012 at 10:41 am
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by C Rod - April 29, 2012 at 10:43 am
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by C Rod - April 29, 2012 at 10:49 am
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by C Rod - April 29, 2012 at 11:11 am
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by C Rod - April 29, 2012 at 11:22 am
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by Drich - April 29, 2012 at 6:57 pm
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by Ryft - April 29, 2012 at 9:31 pm
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by Matt231 - April 30, 2012 at 10:56 pm
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by Matt231 - April 30, 2012 at 11:20 pm
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by Matt231 - April 30, 2012 at 11:46 pm
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by Matt231 - April 30, 2012 at 11:30 pm
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by Ryft - April 30, 2012 at 5:00 am
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by C Rod - April 30, 2012 at 8:56 pm
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by Godschild - May 5, 2012 at 3:13 am
RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are! - by Ryft - May 10, 2012 at 10:24 am

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