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North Carolina bans gay marriage
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RE: North Carolina bans gay marriage
Quote:I'm not against the teaching of creationism, I'm just against the teaching of it in science class. It affects everyone, since it will confuse students about science.
But why? How will it affect you personally?
YOU, I mean, you.
It will not, at least directly. You've already finished school. But it will hamper with education itself, right? Another very important pillar of society, education.
Similarly, the dilution of marriage with giving the rights to this privilage to people who never had it to begin with, and in my opinion, do not deserve it, will have a similar effect.
Quote:So, you are also against the marriage of infertile couples or couples who do not want to have children?
No, because it does not stand against the nature of marriage. A union of a man and a woman, sanctified by the public, and recognized by the state.
But a marriage without children, as I say, is a lacking marriage. You do not give something back to the society by contributing an individual to the next generation of people. Even via adoption, you simply continue where the real parents of that child have left off.

The marriage of two men or two women are especially prone to cause confusion, and if those people are given the right to be legal parents to a child, the situation will worsen. It will cause the same type of confusion in the mind of that child.

Quote:After all, if the concept of marriage is to have a family and have children
Yes, that is it, in it's core. But it also allows couples to share property. And other than that, it gives the people a sense of responsibility of their actions. They are now living in the same institution that their parents have lived out their lives in.
This always had included a man and a woman.
Quote: then infertile married couples and married couples who choose not to have a family are also diluting the concept of marriage.
Infertile couples, at least those who wish to have children, are unfortunate people, who can now benefit from science to have children, or adopt one. But gays are already not able to have children from any normal means other than copulating with a woman. Marriage has it's roots in the biological means of producing children friend! Therefore the marriage is defined between a husband and a wife, not between two husbands or two wives.
For those who are proponents of gay marrige-it would certainly be more logical for you to advocate the complete abolition of the insitution of marriage, than to advocate the involvement of homosexuality into it! Because you're advocating the same thing by advocating the addition of homosexuality by writing off the fundamental concepts of marriage!

Quote:You do realise that people can have a family without having sex, right?
Really, why would I care? I already said that I am not interested with whether gays stay celibate throughout their marriage or not.

Quote:Adoptions, test tube babies, surrogate mothers, etc. Do all these dilute the concept of marriage / family?
No, unless they step on the fundamental concepts of marriage.

For those who do not wish to read through my posts, I'll summarize my key points once more.
I know that marrige is built on fundamental roles, and fundamental rules, boundaries that have been same across the world.
1-Marriage is the basis of the traditional family, which is the pillar that keeps society going. It does this by producing newer generations of people, born into a family, raised in a family, and supported by a family.
2-The fundamental boundary of a marriage has always been between a man and a woman. In certain other places, men married several wives, or women married several husbands, but the concept remained the same. There was a wife, and a husband.
3-Marriage required two things, first and foremost. The approval of the society, and the government. This is why people get married.

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North Carolina bans gay marriage - by AthiestAtheist - May 9, 2012 at 3:21 pm
RE: North Carolina bans gay marriage - by Gambit - May 9, 2012 at 3:25 pm
RE: North Carolina bans gay marriage - by libalchris - May 9, 2012 at 5:07 pm
RE: North Carolina bans gay marriage - by DeeTee - May 9, 2012 at 5:09 pm
RE: North Carolina bans gay marriage - by Annik - May 9, 2012 at 5:10 pm
RE: North Carolina bans gay marriage - by Napoléon - May 9, 2012 at 5:12 pm
RE: North Carolina bans gay marriage - by libalchris - May 9, 2012 at 5:12 pm
RE: North Carolina bans gay marriage - by Tobie - May 9, 2012 at 5:15 pm
RE: North Carolina bans gay marriage - by Matt231 - May 9, 2012 at 5:18 pm
RE: North Carolina bans gay marriage - by Minimalist - May 9, 2012 at 11:59 pm
RE: North Carolina bans gay marriage - by Gambit - May 9, 2012 at 5:24 pm
RE: North Carolina bans gay marriage - by libalchris - May 9, 2012 at 5:26 pm
RE: North Carolina bans gay marriage - by Gambit - May 9, 2012 at 5:43 pm
RE: North Carolina bans gay marriage - by padraic - May 9, 2012 at 11:10 pm
RE: North Carolina bans gay marriage - by Tiberius - May 10, 2012 at 1:40 am
RE: North Carolina bans gay marriage - by Gambit - May 10, 2012 at 1:45 am
RE: North Carolina bans gay marriage - by DeeTee - May 10, 2012 at 5:08 am
RE: North Carolina bans gay marriage - by Tiberius - May 10, 2012 at 6:23 am
RE: North Carolina bans gay marriage - by Napoléon - May 10, 2012 at 9:19 am
RE: North Carolina bans gay marriage - by Tiberius - May 10, 2012 at 10:22 am
RE: North Carolina bans gay marriage - by Napoléon - May 10, 2012 at 11:46 am
RE: North Carolina bans gay marriage - by Zen Badger - May 10, 2012 at 6:47 am
RE: North Carolina bans gay marriage - by kılıç_mehmet - May 10, 2012 at 10:44 am
RE: North Carolina bans gay marriage - by frankiej - May 10, 2012 at 10:54 am
RE: North Carolina bans gay marriage - by Tobie - May 10, 2012 at 11:59 am
RE: North Carolina bans gay marriage - by frankiej - May 10, 2012 at 12:26 pm
RE: North Carolina bans gay marriage - by Chuff - May 10, 2012 at 12:41 pm
RE: North Carolina bans gay marriage - by orogenicman - May 10, 2012 at 12:42 pm
RE: North Carolina bans gay marriage - by Napoléon - May 10, 2012 at 2:18 pm
RE: North Carolina bans gay marriage - by DeeTee - May 10, 2012 at 5:29 pm
RE: North Carolina bans gay marriage - by Gooders1002 - May 10, 2012 at 8:37 pm
RE: North Carolina bans gay marriage - by Chuff - May 11, 2012 at 3:52 am
RE: North Carolina bans gay marriage - by hadee41 - April 3, 2014 at 3:22 am

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