RE: Is there any secular reason why being gay is bad?
May 14, 2012 at 1:55 pm
(This post was last modified: May 14, 2012 at 2:00 pm by genkaus.)
(May 14, 2012 at 1:32 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Well, I think we have discussed this with you before. If you do not comply with the society you live in, you should not really be playing the victim if the society chastises you for it.
Bullshit. If the society seeks to chastise you on a matter it really has no place chastising you on, then you are being victimized.
(May 14, 2012 at 1:32 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: In my mind? Well, collectively, they do have their print on the moral values of society.
I am not forcing my sexual identity on anyone else. They can sleep with men or with dogs if they want to. But publicizing this behavior is another thing.
Just like drugs. Can you do drugs in open public? Obviously not.
In a truly free society, yes, you could do drugs in open public. And are you being made to wear clothes or act like gays? If not, then no one is forcing their sexual identity on you. But if you force them to dress "straight" then you are forcing your sexual identity on them.
(May 14, 2012 at 1:32 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Let's ask the person I replied to, on "what" is normal.
He said he tries to blend in. Meaning, he tries to be a part of the "whole" something which he considers to be normal. I think you should stop speaking for others, and let others speak for themselves.
Why? I can speak for them AND they can speak for themselves. It doesn't have to be one or the other.
(May 14, 2012 at 1:48 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Well, I already said what constitutes public decency in many countries.
Obviously, there are some minor changes, but the minimal would hold that people do not walk around naked.
Even in the most primitive societies, there are public decency rules.
Homosexuality, too has a place within public decency.
You are, ofcourse, ignoring all the exceptions to your "public decency" tenets when considering nude beaches or locker rooms where walking around naked in public is allowed. And then there are nudist colonies where wearing clothes is contrary to public decency. Thus, no consensus. The question of homosexuality is even more controversial.
And then you also have to justify why "public decency" should be considered grounds for curtailing people's freedoms.
