Is there any secular reason why being gay is bad?

[WalkingBySight]

The only reason homosexuals aren't able to live in harmony with the majority is because people like you won't let them.
Thieves and Murderers can't live in harmony with the majority because they're assholes who directly harm others with there actions.

And for good reason. I rather have the people out there with a reasonably harmonious identity, than with their deviant sexual identities.
Just as I do not go out and introduce myself to people as a "heterosexual", I do not want people to go out and introduce themselves to others as being homosexual. But I know that people who suffer from minority complex are very passionate about whatever that makes them a minority, and want everyone else to know that they are a "minority". The "coming out" process, essentially leaving behind whatever identity you have, to adopt your sexuality as your prime identity.

Just like thieves and murderers, any sexual deviants are directly harmful to society by the way they act. Is a provocator that agitates people to acts of arson and riot not harmful? Yet he only uses words, nothing else.

It seems to me that the crux of your argument rests on the way homosexuals deviate from the norm, what you describe as their “deviant sexual identities” which “are directly harmful to society”. Yet, you don't seem to realise that it's people like you who define homosexuality as deviant, and thus set homosexuals apart from everyone else.

First you need to understand how deviance works. Consider this quote from Howard Becker's 1963 book “Outsiders: Studies in the Sociology of Deviance”:

“Social groups create deviance by making rules whose infraction constitutes deviance, and by applying these rules to particular people and labelling them as outsiders. From this point of view, deviance is not a quality of the act the person commits, but rather a consequence of the application by others of rules and sanctions to an 'offender'. The deviant is one to whom that label has been successfully applied. Deviant behaviour is behaviour that people so label.”

Anyone who studies deviance will immediately see this to be true. Deviance is not an objective entity. Consider that racism and misogyny have been defined as deviant behaviours only very recently in world history. The behaviours on which the label of deviance is bestowed are influenced by culture, time period and a myriad of other factors. The least important factor influencing what behaviours get defined as deviant are the actual behaviours themselves. Therefore, by defining homosexuality as deviant, you and others like you are the ones responsible for any destabilising effect on society.


In one of your later posts, you said that homosexuals make homosexuality their primary identity. Well guess what? This is another consequence of labelling them deviant. A primary effect of the labelling process is that it reduces the power of those labelled as deviant. They lose acceptability, respectability and moral standing. This leads to the 'deviance' becoming seen as their primary identity in a number ways. Firstly, when homosexuality is considered bad, if someone is 'discovered' to be a homosexual, it will obviously alter the way others see them. If homosexuality was considered normal, then there would be no 'discovering' and homosexuality would only be seen as part of their identity.

Secondly, if people are treated as outsiders because they belong to a particular group, them they are going to naturally gravitate towards that group, whether because they are excluded from other groups, or because there is safety in numbers. For example, they may band together for political reasons.

Thirdly, this directly leads to the “coming out' process you mentioned so disparagingly. If there was no labelling as deviant, there would be no coming out process. No one would see it as something that needed announcing.

In conclusion, truly are bigots the architects of their own misery.