(October 29, 2008 at 10:29 pm)FutureAndAHope Wrote:This is not evidence for God. I'm talking about scientific evidence. People can lie. Maths, the laws of physics and the scientific itself cannot. Only people can. And only people can get it wrong. The scientific method itself/ the laws of physics are consistent. If the scientific method doesn't get something right, the people got it wrong. Just as if someone gets the laws of physics wrong, its not the laws of physics that made a mistake. The understanding of the laws of physics/science itself etc, may change/develop but physics and science itself doesn't make mistakes.Quote:And personal experience is NOT evidence. The evidence has to be demonstrated, and it has to be evidence that can be scientifically tested by the scientific method.
Personal experience is evidence, police use it all the time in getting statments from witnesses. An experience with God is "witnessed experience". Life is not tested by scientific method at all it is tested by trust levels. If some one trusts the faithfulness of a witness then the witness becomes evidence. I am going to share witness statements for God, if you trust me then you have all the evidence you need.
My Evidence
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Witness One
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One morning I woke up and I heard a voice say to me "How would you like to be stabbed and attacked in the valley"? The valley was the tough end of town, and I was a little afraid as I was going to be visiting the valley that day. Despite being a little afraid by the voice, thinking maybe I had done something wrong andd was going to be stabbed. I went down to the valley (after work I think it was), and I went up to a man and asked him out to church, he said "No I am an athiest". I said "fine", and just kept the conversation going. Soon after he said to me "This is why I don't believe in God", he opened up his shirt and showed me stab wounds, where he had been attacked with a knife in the valley some years before. I knew then that I was asked how would I like to be stabbed so I could sympathise with him. Latter of the way home (I took him home to his house) I bought up the story of what I had been told, he became very open to talking about God. SOme weeks latter he came out to church and became a christian.
Witness 2
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One day I was on my computer and was told Steve Erwin would die. Steve Erwin was a very famous person in our country. I was told to contact him and share the gospel with him. I was not certain of the voice, so I did not act (partly due to the fear). However some months latter steve Erwin was attacked by a sting ray and died as a result, the voice turned out to be telling the truth.
Witness 3
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I was praying asking God to reveal to me cures for common diseases; because my mind was on scientific topics I wondered would it not be cool to be able to recreate a dinosour. So I prayed and asked if I could create one. The Word "bood" entered my mind, I had no idea what the word ment so I looked it up on the Internet and I found it was a word used by a tribal group in asia to gently and with knidness say no. So I knew God was saying no.
Witness 4
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One day I saw to mormons walking into our neibour hood, I knew ther faith was not a real sort, that it was based upon error. I went up to them and confronted them and told them how in that neibour hood I had prayed for and healed a woman of a back complaint and they should listen to me. One was german, so I thought would it not be cool to speak in toungues to them. So I tried but it did not work. So I just kept saying ASK God to show you the trusth, pray and ask. Latter that night I was lying in bed and thought "what a goose I just made of my self" Then I heard the word "bitten" being spoken to me and I felt a hand touch me and say I love you. The voice said "tell them bitten". I was afraid so did not do it, I thought what does that mean it sounds like being bitten by a dog. Some time, probably a year a least I looked it up in a german dictionary I came accross, bitten meant to ask, plead, emplore, or pray. So I knew God was just wanting to back up what I had said about "Ask", Ask God. I emplore you reading this too to ask God to reveal him self to you in a real way.
I've already dealt with this whole "argument from personal experience" in another post, and I quote:
(October 10, 2008 at 9:18 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: From Richard Dawkins' The God Delusion - Arguments for God's existence - The argument from personal 'experience' - page 117:
Quote:"On the face of it mass visions, such as the report that seventy thousand pilgrims at Fatima in Portugal in 1917 saw the sun 'tear itself from the heavens and come crashing down upon the multitude,' are harder to write off. It is not easy to explain how seventy thousand people could share the same hallucination. But it is even harder to accept that it really happened without the rest of the world, outside Fatima, seeing it too - and not just seeing it, but feeling it as the catastrophic destruction of the solar system, including acceleration forces sufficient to hurl everybody into space. David Hume's pithy test for a miracle comes irresistibly to mind: 'No testimony is sufficient to establish a miracle, unless the testimony be of such a kind, that its falsehood would be more miraculous than the fact which it endeavours to establish.'
It may seem improbable that seventy thousand people could simultaneously be deluded, or could simultaneously collude in a mass lie. Or that history is mistaken in recording that seventy thousand people claimed to see the sun dance. Or that they all simultaneously saw a mirage (they had been persuaded to stare at the sun, which can't have done much for their eyesight). But any of those apparent improbabilities is far more probable than the alternative: that the Earth was suddenly yanked sideways in its orbit, and the solar system destroyed, with nobody outsite Fatima noticing. I mean, Portugal is not that isolated."
So, basically...if seventy thousand people are wrong, you obviously [almost certainly] must be too.