Sin, I don't believe in Sin.

[Whistle Blower]

He didn't mess up, we did when we decided that we could go it alone without Him, and we have been messing up ever since.

If God doesn't exist we have no choice but to go it alone. Most of us here believe that to be the way of it. From my point of view, you too are going it alone even if you believe you're not. Perhaps that is all you need, the sense of being with your God? Do you believe it helps you do what you think is moral or at least what the bible tells you to do (in case you haven't actually given any thought to what is moral). Oddly, most Christians I talk with don't think there is any sense in discussing what is morally better except in terms of God. Battering a baby's head against a wall has no meaning morally unless there is a God that declares it to be a sin. Do you think that way?



You say there would be no rape or murder if people would just get with God because sin just is what happens when we go it alone. I wonder why you think that. Do you feel a compulsion to do harm to others except when you consider God and what He wants from you? I feel no such pull toward rape, murder, torture or even stealing. In general, I don't do to others what I wouldn't want done to me. Why? Empathy. Fellow feeling. Certainly not to buy a ticket to the world's best after life.

I think I actually have the best possible afterlife waiting for me already, as compost. All my organic bits will remain in the web of life and all the stuff there has been for me to notice and to realize will go right on being noticed and realized by others in their turn. What really has been lost? Just a bunch of personal memories? A sense of self importance?

The human condition is a complex one, and cannot fully be understood or lived properly unless it is with reference to The Creator whose image we are made in (Gen 1: 27).

We all have the ability to choose between right and wrong, God has
given us a conscience. I did many wrong things before becoming a Christian, some may seem trivial to others, some would be frowned upon by the morally upright, however my greatest sin was denying God's existence despite knowing that He is a reality.

Ps 14 "The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.”
They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good.
The Lord looks down from heaven on all mankind
to see if there are any who understand, any who seek God.
All have turned away, all have become corrupt; there is no one who does good, not even one."[/b]


At the core of the human condition for us all is sin and rebellion. We are all born into this condition due to the nature of the world which we live in which is hostile towards its Creator. However, it is only accepting God on His trems that we can right with Him in this life and eternally. What are His terms?

Acts 2: 38 " Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."

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Yes I do believe 100%, and I base that belief on experience. Having become a Christian at the age of 37 (14 years ago), my life has been completely transformed for the better and I could never go back to my prior life.

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Thanks

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Yes I do believe 100%, and I base that belief on experience. Having become a Christian at the age of 37 (14 years ago), my life has been completely transformed for the better and I could never go back to my prior life.

And your personal "revelation" is objective evidence that the whole Garden of Eden fairytale is true?

You can criticise my faith, my Saviour but you cannot criticise my experience. Why? Becasue I really have seen the light

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WB is not worth the effort ZEN.... really.

Don't be so sure...