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Understanding the bible
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RE: Understanding the bible
(May 27, 2012 at 12:04 pm)Paul the Human Wrote: Nothing in your precious scriptures mean a thing unless your god is real. We "smart guy atheists" don't happen to believe that it is, so the scriptures are nothing more than an incomprehensible jumble of mythology…

That I know my friend: that most of the atheists are ignoramuses.
As for “my” god, he is real and did exactly what the book says he did: he attacked Moses because he thought that he was the father of Zipporah’s child and not himself (Yahweh), but soon as Zipporah performed circumcision and proved to him that her child was pure, a son of god, he let go of the innocent Moses.

That is what the book says and it says it for a purpose. What was the purpose? To let the Israelites know why they had to be circumcised.
Oh, but it was the Egyptians who were the first to circumcise their children. A circumcised child is a son of god; the Israelites, therefore, are sons of god, meaning that they are gods themselves, but then gods are the Egyptians too. So what is going on here?

Maybe the redactors of the Old Testament permitted this small story to remain in the collection in the hope that it will help to wake up the sleeping ones, Israelites or non Israelites.
(May 27, 2012 at 12:19 pm)Stimbo Wrote: I'm more inclined to think that a passage like that would be heavy symbolism that you can only understand after swapping out your reason for faith, or an obscure metaphor for something else (like it's only spiritual nuts, representing masculinity perhaps, that we need to place in the car door of heaven). Failing that, it probably means something completely different in context and in the original language. Of course, there's always the old standby that it's a commandment to slam the nuts of sinners - aka everyone else - in car doors.

The story is quite clear in the original and it was only distorted by the translators of the Septuagint. There is no heavy symbolism or mysticism about it, but as I said, one has to have knowledge of the older texts in order to be able to appreciate and to understand it.
"Culture is memory"

Yuri Lotman


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Understanding the bible - by Whistle Blower - May 26, 2012 at 4:58 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Jesus Pipes - May 26, 2012 at 5:03 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Whistle Blower - May 26, 2012 at 5:06 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Minimalist - May 26, 2012 at 5:31 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Godschild - May 26, 2012 at 6:12 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Cyberman - May 26, 2012 at 6:46 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by salty - May 29, 2012 at 10:15 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Minimalist - May 26, 2012 at 6:18 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by padraic - May 26, 2012 at 7:09 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Welsh cake - May 26, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Understanding the bible - by Zen Badger - May 26, 2012 at 7:43 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Jesus Pipes - May 26, 2012 at 11:26 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Erinome - May 26, 2012 at 7:53 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by FallentoReason - May 26, 2012 at 10:14 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Minimalist - May 26, 2012 at 11:28 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Cyberman - May 26, 2012 at 11:34 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Godschild - May 26, 2012 at 11:45 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Cyberman - May 26, 2012 at 11:59 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Godschild - May 27, 2012 at 4:27 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Tobie - May 27, 2012 at 4:47 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Godschild - May 28, 2012 at 1:48 am
RE: Understanding the bible - by FallentoReason - May 28, 2012 at 2:13 am
RE: Understanding the bible - by Tobie - May 28, 2012 at 3:58 am
RE: Understanding the bible - by Minimalist - May 28, 2012 at 2:02 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Tobie - May 28, 2012 at 2:11 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Godschild - May 28, 2012 at 4:06 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Tobie - May 28, 2012 at 4:44 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Godschild - May 28, 2012 at 4:59 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Tobie - May 28, 2012 at 5:05 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Godschild - May 28, 2012 at 5:32 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Cinjin - May 28, 2012 at 11:44 am
RE: Understanding the bible - by Minimalist - May 27, 2012 at 2:47 am
RE: Understanding the bible - by The Heff - May 27, 2012 at 2:57 am
RE: Understanding the bible - by FallentoReason - May 27, 2012 at 3:01 am
RE: Understanding the bible - by Kayenneh - May 27, 2012 at 3:39 am
RE: Understanding the bible - by Creed of Heresy - May 27, 2012 at 5:53 am
RE: Understanding the bible - by Brian37 - May 27, 2012 at 6:22 am
RE: Understanding the bible - by Cyberman - May 27, 2012 at 10:49 am
RE: Understanding the bible - by Faith No More - May 27, 2012 at 8:45 am
RE: Understanding the bible - by dtango - May 27, 2012 at 11:28 am
RE: Understanding the bible - by Paul the Human - May 27, 2012 at 12:04 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Minimalist - May 27, 2012 at 12:09 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Cyberman - May 27, 2012 at 12:19 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by dtango - May 27, 2012 at 3:22 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Paul the Human - May 27, 2012 at 10:07 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Angrboda - May 27, 2012 at 1:33 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Minimalist - May 27, 2012 at 1:46 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Drich - May 27, 2012 at 4:17 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Minimalist - May 27, 2012 at 4:44 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Minimalist - May 28, 2012 at 3:41 am
RE: Understanding the bible - by Kayenneh - May 28, 2012 at 11:53 am
RE: Understanding the bible - by Cyberman - May 28, 2012 at 12:17 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Godschild - May 28, 2012 at 4:48 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Tobie - May 28, 2012 at 4:52 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Godschild - May 28, 2012 at 5:01 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Epimethean - May 28, 2012 at 5:03 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Cyberman - May 28, 2012 at 5:42 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Godschild - May 28, 2012 at 6:54 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Morganna - May 28, 2012 at 7:49 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Whateverist - May 29, 2012 at 12:12 am
RE: Understanding the bible - by Welsh cake - May 28, 2012 at 12:58 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Kayenneh - May 28, 2012 at 2:43 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Cyberman - May 28, 2012 at 2:47 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Faith No More - May 28, 2012 at 4:22 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Cyberman - May 28, 2012 at 4:31 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Epimethean - May 28, 2012 at 5:00 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Brian37 - May 28, 2012 at 5:49 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Minimalist - May 28, 2012 at 7:05 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Cyberman - May 28, 2012 at 7:35 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Godschild - May 28, 2012 at 10:48 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Cyberman - May 29, 2012 at 12:45 am
RE: Understanding the bible - by Godschild - May 29, 2012 at 3:28 am
RE: Understanding the bible - by Zen Badger - May 29, 2012 at 4:16 am
RE: Understanding the bible - by Godschild - May 29, 2012 at 12:56 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Zen Badger - May 30, 2012 at 2:10 am
RE: Understanding the bible - by Epimethean - May 29, 2012 at 12:23 am
RE: Understanding the bible - by Minimalist - May 29, 2012 at 12:35 am
RE: Understanding the bible - by Brian37 - May 29, 2012 at 9:28 am
RE: Understanding the bible - by Minimalist - May 29, 2012 at 12:42 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Cinjin - May 29, 2012 at 12:53 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Tobie - May 29, 2012 at 4:00 am
RE: Understanding the bible - by Godschild - May 29, 2012 at 12:07 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Epimethean - May 29, 2012 at 8:07 am
RE: Understanding the bible - by The Grand Nudger - May 29, 2012 at 8:13 am
RE: Understanding the bible - by Epimethean - May 29, 2012 at 8:14 am
RE: Understanding the bible - by Faith No More - May 29, 2012 at 9:14 am
RE: Understanding the bible - by Welsh cake - May 29, 2012 at 9:50 am
RE: Understanding the bible - by Brian37 - May 29, 2012 at 10:53 am
RE: Understanding the bible - by Cinjin - May 29, 2012 at 11:18 am
RE: Understanding the bible - by Brian37 - May 29, 2012 at 12:36 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Brian37 - May 29, 2012 at 1:04 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by FallentoReason - May 29, 2012 at 1:06 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Godschild - May 29, 2012 at 1:59 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Cyberman - May 29, 2012 at 2:33 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Godschild - May 29, 2012 at 10:50 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Kayenneh - May 29, 2012 at 1:15 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Faith No More - May 29, 2012 at 1:16 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Minimalist - May 29, 2012 at 1:30 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Cyberman - May 29, 2012 at 1:32 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Jackalope - May 29, 2012 at 2:48 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by The Grand Nudger - May 29, 2012 at 2:31 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Cyberman - May 29, 2012 at 2:52 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Minimalist - May 29, 2012 at 4:15 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Epimethean - May 29, 2012 at 10:04 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Godschild - May 29, 2012 at 11:02 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Epimethean - May 29, 2012 at 11:45 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Epimethean - May 29, 2012 at 10:22 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Minimalist - May 29, 2012 at 10:23 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by The Grand Nudger - May 29, 2012 at 10:23 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Epimethean - May 29, 2012 at 10:25 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by salty - May 29, 2012 at 10:34 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Minimalist - May 29, 2012 at 10:39 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by FallentoReason - May 29, 2012 at 11:02 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Godschild - May 30, 2012 at 12:31 am
RE: Understanding the bible - by Epimethean - May 29, 2012 at 10:36 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Minimalist - May 29, 2012 at 10:58 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Epimethean - May 30, 2012 at 12:39 am
RE: Understanding the bible - by Godschild - May 30, 2012 at 12:49 am
RE: Understanding the bible - by FallentoReason - May 30, 2012 at 12:51 am
RE: Understanding the bible - by Godschild - May 30, 2012 at 1:07 am
RE: Understanding the bible - by Epimethean - May 30, 2012 at 1:20 am
RE: Understanding the bible - by Kayenneh - May 30, 2012 at 1:03 am
RE: Understanding the bible - by Annik - May 30, 2012 at 1:10 am
RE: Understanding the bible - by FallentoReason - May 30, 2012 at 1:37 am
RE: Understanding the bible - by Godschild - May 30, 2012 at 2:46 am
RE: Understanding the bible - by Zen Badger - May 30, 2012 at 9:05 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Epimethean - May 30, 2012 at 9:15 am
RE: Understanding the bible - by Minimalist - May 30, 2012 at 2:26 am
RE: Understanding the bible - by FallentoReason - May 30, 2012 at 3:27 am
RE: Understanding the bible - by Godschild - May 30, 2012 at 6:06 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Brian37 - May 30, 2012 at 8:43 am
RE: Understanding the bible - by FallentoReason - May 30, 2012 at 11:53 am
RE: Understanding the bible - by Minimalist - May 30, 2012 at 12:19 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Epimethean - May 30, 2012 at 6:28 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by padraic - May 30, 2012 at 7:13 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Anomalocaris - May 30, 2012 at 7:27 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Minimalist - May 30, 2012 at 7:45 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by FallentoReason - May 30, 2012 at 7:49 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Godschild - May 31, 2012 at 12:02 am
RE: Understanding the bible - by The Grand Nudger - May 30, 2012 at 8:17 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Minimalist - May 30, 2012 at 10:19 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Annik - May 30, 2012 at 10:22 pm
RE: Understanding the bible - by Epimethean - May 31, 2012 at 1:58 am
RE: Understanding the bible - by Welsh cake - May 31, 2012 at 7:37 am
RE: Understanding the bible - by Epimethean - May 31, 2012 at 8:31 am

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