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Indeed, not both. Also, an omniscient being knows everything, and therefore it can't be wrong, or surprised. However, the christian god is very often surprised, or dead wrong, and therefore is not omniscient.

So how do we know that God was surprised or wrong? From human understanding? From an allegorical story? That God was 'surprised' that Adam & Eve would disobey him, he already knew because he already knows everything to the end of time. Setting up the physical reality that plays out its natural course. It could do no other.

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Also, nothing can exist outside of time fr0do, except in one form: nothingness. For something to exist, it must have a time and location component. Time and location defines our identity. Even clones have separate identities.

Says who Saerules? Natural physics? My God is non temporal. Shame you missed the discussion with Jon Paul where he explained this. Nothingness is never empty. If you assume God is temporal then you assume a different God to me.

So why does he 'play' surprised when he isn't? Why does he allow these things to happen when he knows he will get upset over them? We know he was surprised because of the bible... and if he was not surprised, then he was wrong to let it happen the way he did. The Holocaust? He must have been surprised, or else he was just plain wrong (wether in character or in knowledge).

We live in a four dimensional universe... and these four dimensions define location and time, the two most important factors in knowing who we are. Nothingness is exactly that: the lack of anything. Outside of everything... what do you have? Absolutely nothing. Is God nothing then? If he is nothing... then nothing exists as something. And that something is then part of everything, which is inside of nothing.

For nothingness to not be empty: it must disbecome nothingness.