(May 28, 2012 at 4:48 pm)Godschild Wrote: You and Tobie do not agree I see. Tobie believes that scripture can be changed, because he thinks God makes mistakes, and yet can still be trusted and you see if the scriptures have to be changed, God can not be trusted, I agree with you on this point.
Stimbo Wrote:No, I was just going off what you said to me. I simply asked you if the script can be changed and you were quite clear that it can't. Everything else I said flowed from that.
I know you were replying to what I said, however you and Tobie replied differently on changing scriptures.
Quote:Gc Wrote:God knows every aspect of the future and you're wondering about His power, how funny. God is not constrained by what He wrote, he let us know exactly what will be
Stimbo Wrote:Oh okay; so the script can be changed. I see.
Gc Wrote:ie. His unchangeable will.
Stimbo Wrote:Wait; now it can't?
There you go manipulating what I stated by separating a single statement into two different quotes, making it seem I made contradicting statements. The two quotes you have me making above were all one thought and you know it. God's perfect will needs no changing period. God could have made the future into anything He desired, and if He had desired it differently, that's what would be in scripture, and that then would be His unchangeable will.
Gc Wrote:There is no need for a change the victory is already won, the victory is set for eternity. It will be Satan and all the lost that will be complaining, but to no avail, God laid it all out so no one has an excuse.
Stimbo Wrote:So what's the point in even trying? What's all the praying and preaching about? Your side has already won. All you have to do is sit tight, secure in the knowledge that it matters not one jot or tittle what the rest of the world says, does and thinks.
You're wrong in your thinking, even though the victory is won there is still things to be settled. People to come to salvation, preaching the gospel, so the former can happen, praying and studying scripture to learn and grow in a relationship with God, to help those who are less fortunate, care for the grieving and those who find life hopeless, ect.
Look at it like this, after WWII the victory was won, however the reconstruction for the innocent was yet to be completed, rebuilding governments, reestablishing good will between enemies and ect.
Stimbo Wrote:Plus if I were to play a game rigged in such a way that there wasn't even even a possibilty of my winning, and I knew that up front but chose to play anyway, I wouldn't even bother wasting my breath complaining. It would serve your side right if, come Judgement Day, Satan just shrugged and said "fuck it" and went right back to making fossils or whatever it does (what exactly does it do, anyway?)
Satan is out to steal away as many people as possible, he knows the games not rigged, he knows he screwed up messing with God. All he cares about is to make things as bad in God's creation as possible, and he will complain till he is thrown in hell, by an arch angel.
I'm not sure where you get Satan makes fossils, Satan's to concerned with stealing away souls to be making fossils.
Gc Wrote:Now you're trying to pull the bait and switch with your double talk. In one statement you say God can not be trusted if He has to change scripture, in another you say that God has no power if He can't change the scriptures. So, what is it, it can't be both, make up your mind please.
Stimbo Wrote:Actually I said the Bible can't be trusted if your god intended to change its mind at the last minute. Personally I think your god, like all gods, has no power to do anything at all, including exist, but that's beside the point for now. I was just musing on the paradox of an entity deemed to have all power that can only act according to a storyline that's almost literally set in stone.
You also made the statement that God is powerless if He can't change His mind. God wrote the future down for us, He sees no reason to change what He deems His perfect will. I believe you are trying to judge God by the mind of people, people just like you and me, who can not hope to conceive who God truly is other than what He reveals to us through His word and prayer.
Stimbo Wrote:Incidentally, what's with the attitude? Regardless of your interactions with others, I've tried my best to be civil with you. It may strike you as unlikely but in my last few posts to you I was genuinely seeking information and have been genuinely interested in your opinions. If you wish me to change my approach, you have only to ask and I'll Minimalist you good.
If you find it desirable to treat me as Min would I can put you on ignore too. I'm sorry if I came across with an attitude, could be that I react to words such as in red above, it's quite irritating and seems to me as a attitude thrown at me. I would prefer to have civil discussions.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
