(May 28, 2012 at 6:54 pm)Godschild Wrote: There you go manipulating what I stated by separating a single statement into two different quotes, making it seem I made contradicting statements. The two quotes you have me making above were all one thought and you know it.
Godschild, Stimbo wasn't the only one confused by that statement, "God is not constrained by what He wrote, he let us know exactly what will be ie. His unchangeable will." I was very confused by it myself. If God's will isn't "constrained" by the scripture, that means that it isn't bound by it, it isn't set in stone. Ergo, things could change. And then you go and say that it can't.
I think what you mean is that the scripture itself is not binding God's will; i.e., the scripture has no power over God. Things will play out as they are written in the scriptures, but it's not because the scriptures are some magic words that can constrain the will of God. These things are written down ahead of time because God had the courtesy to let us know what was up. Is that what you meant? What you say next seems to confirm it, particularly the bolded parts:
(May 28, 2012 at 6:54 pm)Godschild Wrote: God's perfect will needs no changing period. God could have made the future into anything He desired, and if He had desired it differently, that's what would be in scripture, and that then would be His unchangeable will.
Am I right?
However, I do still have a bone to pick with you. You claim that God's will is "unchangeable," and you seem to be one of those folks who takes the Bible literally. So ... how do you explain this?
Quote:9 And the Lord said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people:
10 Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation.
11 And Moses besought the Lord his God, and said, Lord, why doth thy wrath wax hot against thy people, which thou hast brought forth out of the land of Egypt with great power, and with a mighty hand?
12 Wherefore should the Egyptians speak, and say, For mischief did he bring them out, to slay them in the mountains, and to consume them from the face of the earth? Turn from thy fierce wrath, and repent of this evil against thy people.
13 Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, thy servants, to whom thou swarest by thine own self, and saidst unto them, I will multiply your seed as the stars of heaven, and all this land that I have spoken of will I give unto your seed, and they shall inherit it for ever.
14 And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.
This is Exodus 32:9-14, King James Version. It's right when God got distracted from his conversation with Moses by noticing the golden calf. As you can see, he was a little miffed, was ready to smite the Israelites ... and then Moses spoke, and God changed his mind.
So is God's will unchangeable, or isn't it?
"But the gods plainly do exist," said a priest.
"It Is Not Evident," [said Dorfl].
A bolt of lightning lanced through the clouds and hit Dorfl's helmet. There was a sheet of flame and then a trickling noise. Dorfl's molten armor formed puddles around his white-hot feet.
"I Don't Call That Much Of An Argument," said Dorfl calmly, from somewhere in the clouds of smoke.
-- Terry Pratchett, Feet of Clay
"It Is Not Evident," [said Dorfl].
A bolt of lightning lanced through the clouds and hit Dorfl's helmet. There was a sheet of flame and then a trickling noise. Dorfl's molten armor formed puddles around his white-hot feet.
"I Don't Call That Much Of An Argument," said Dorfl calmly, from somewhere in the clouds of smoke.
-- Terry Pratchett, Feet of Clay
