(August 30, 2009 at 6:56 pm)Kyuuketsuki Wrote:(August 30, 2009 at 1:35 pm)Saerules Wrote: Disproof of God (as an omnipresent, omniloving, omnipotent, all-powerful, unconditionally loving, jealous, and original god) is more than easy [for a philosopher anyway]. It cannot exist in any of those forms, at least not when it is the SINGLE god christians envision it to be.
I Know you're into philosophy Saerules but this is EXACTLY why I think philosophy (modern day at any rate) is pile of foetid dingos kidneys ... because YOU claim you can disprove "Gawd's" existence easily yet THEY claim they can prove it easily! Can you understand where I have an issue?
Kyu
I absolutely understand why you would say that However you will find that where philosophy is based on exactly the same thing as science (1=1), faith is based on the principle of 1 ≠ 1. I can disprove all-powerful beings with simple logic... and the faithful refute such logic because they a: don't think logically, b: are offended by logic, and c: are unwilling to change their mind.
This is why i consider philosophy (the study of the fundamental nature of knowledge, reality, and existence) to be as valid as science (the intellectual and practical activity of studying the structure and behavior of existence and reality through observation and experimentation). Philosophy justifies science's correctness. Both philosophy and science change to accommodate new information or ways to approach a conundrum.
Faith, on the other hand, is a squeamish critter. It holds its basis in blind acceptance of something they have not thought about. It is purely emotional, and very brainwashing. The faithful are true slaves to non-thought. Therefore, you see that both science and philosophy have an edge over faith?
Science can observe, create a hypothesis, test its hypothesis, formulate a theory, extensively test it, and finally input it as a fact.
Philosophy comes into play where one cannot observe. The christian god is a good example of a time when science cannot observe it, and therefore philosophy must be relied upon to test it. One matter: omnipotence. In two seconds i can formulate a question that is unanswerable for the faithful: can your god create a rock so heavy that he cannot lift it?
Nothing can be all-powerful. Their gods may be very powerful, or the most sovereign power in our universe... but they are not all-powerful. It is in this way that i can refute the christian god. It may exist... but it does not exist as you know it.
It will eventually be science that tells us if there is any form of higher being in our universe... but it is philosophy that will destroy the impossibilities in religious texts. Philosophy can disprove 'Gawd's existence... but nothing can touch the unknown's existence with any accuracy except science.
Please give me a home where cloud buffalo roam
Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
But the skies are not stormy all day