Another Lying Catholic Fuck Gets Caught

[Aiza]

So what? 'Rarely 'is enough, as the obscenity of the child abuse scandal has shown.

lol what? The child abuse scandal is not an area where canon law comes into conflict with civil law. When I said "rarely" I meant in more state atheist or anti-Catholic regimes such as China who try to control the ordination of bishops, for example.

If you take the time to read canon law instead of going on with it second hand, it can only come into real conflict when a government is actually suppressing freedom of religion. And yes, my human rights do trump civil law any day.

The Church also claims it's above law with "the seal of confession", having no obligation to report ANY confessed crime to the civil authorities. To most non Catholics, such a claim is arrogant nonsense and should not be tolerated..

Confession is anonymous and a sacred rite within Catholicism. Priests have gone to torture and even been killed for it in the past. A priest can assign submission to legal authorities as a penance. And its funny because even if you did require such a thing all it would mean is that criminals wouldn't confess anything either, which shows it has nothing to do with "the law" and everything to do with trying to suppress Catholicism.

Most nations don't require it at all though. The Church isn't "above the law" its just excersizing their right to freedom of religion. Thats not to say some governments haven't tried with everything they can to quash it.

Yes, eccesliastical trials are separate from civil trials.However, they are also often INSTEAD of civil trials. If that was not the case, the scandal of CENTURIES of child abuse by clergy could never have occurred.

Well for most cases, the crimes that go to an ecclesiastical trial aren't the same as those which go to criminal trial.

However in the case of child abuse, they generally go to both, and every "cover up" story involved the bishop hiding the facts from the Vatican as well. Can you name a single case where an ecclesiastical trial was used in honest-to-god lieu of a criminal one? And not just ones where the civil authorities were informed but were either unwilling or unable to press charges, as per the Father Murphy (and plenty of others, unfortunately).

And while clergy are human and have abused, they are equally or less likely to be accused of abuse than the general population. Rather odd if they "know they can get away with it", as your earlier link posits.

By all means show a shared moral bankruptcy with your church,as you continue to defend the indefensible.

Truth = indefensible? I'm not defending child molestation or cover ups or anything else. I am just stating simple facts about canon law.