(June 6, 2012 at 4:42 pm)Forsaken Wrote: Agree with you, with the exception of those lines where you mention "prove". No arguments till now have provided any proof of a ultimate great power, however, some arguments do reinforce the possibility of a deistic god. There is a vast difference between "proof" and reinforcement of an argument.
Yeah actually they don't prove, they strengthen the possibility of God or a creator. Because at the end, these premises can be argued for and denied.
One of the intuitions (not arguments or proofs) is:
independent existence seems to need to be extremely powerful life force rather then a minimum existence like a quark or minuscule electron/wave.
This intuitive but not an absolute proof, it just feels like this is so.
Morality/Greatness/Beauty having eternal basis is perhaps a mystic intuition and with analysis relies on the intuition that we believe there is absoluteness to these things, but at the end, can be denied.
The teleological argument coupled with first cause argument if both valid just prove a Creator is extremely likely but tell us nothing of his qualities except his ability to create.
