RE: Why I'm not an Atheist and believe in what I believe.
June 6, 2012 at 4:57 pm
(This post was last modified: June 6, 2012 at 5:25 pm by Mystic.)
(June 6, 2012 at 4:46 pm)Faith No More Wrote: The problem I see in this whole issue is that this 'intuitive knowledge,' as you call it, is indiscernable from what could just be a human desire to know that god exists or a psychological illusion. Intuition is not a very good basis for knowledge.
I think this can be true of many things, but when it comes to belief in morality, at the end, it has to be intuitive knowledge as the basis.
(June 6, 2012 at 4:49 pm)Panglossian Wrote: You claim to have intuitive knowledge, yet without the teachings of others you would be totally ignorant of the concept of a creator. No knowledge can originate within oneself.
What about logic?
(June 6, 2012 at 4:55 pm)Brian37 Wrote:Quote:I think it comes down to an intuition
Most humans do not have the understanding of their own psychology in that perceptions in human evolution are notoriously flawed. Feeling something is real doesn't count.
Newton for a long time had an "intuition" about Alchemy. While he got other things right he was dead wrong about his pet idea of alchemy.
Yeah I thought about how can we just have intuitive knowledge of God when intuitive feeling is often wrong. But let's think about it. Assume a Creator exists.
Then he would be original reality. Originality reality would be what defined existence.
Existence after it not knowing nothing about reality and having no link to that reality, seems more illogical.
Also assume he is the eternal basis of morality and logic and greatness and beauty. If this is so, why wouldn't we have intuitive knowledge that he is the eternal basis of these things?
So to me, it seems rather hard atheism (denial of God) or belief in God (gnostic type) is the best options.
I don't see an agnostic weak atheism as really logical, because, we expect to have some knowledge of God if he exists.
(June 6, 2012 at 4:52 pm)Forsaken Wrote: Again, its not a proof, just a possibility.
Well, not a proof, but also just not a possibility, but "likelihood".
I also feel when people become disillusioned with religion, they have mixed their original intuitive knowledge of God, with that of the religion's portrayal of God. So when they lose one they lose the other.
It's because that God was distorted and when you become disillusioned with religion, you wonder what did you believe in and for what, and why did you believe in such horrible concept and took as absolute greatness?
But if you look at people with this horrible concept, they always emphasize on benevolent side.
Christians will never say "God is so great that he is going to punish all those whom don't believe in Jesus!". They say "God is so great he will save all those whom believe in Jesus!".
You see, no one ever believed in the ugly side to be great. Which is why they all together want to ignore it.
When I was Muslim, to me, I would always cling to names "The Compassionate, the Loving, the Merciful, the Kind, the Graceful...".
It's only after I realized that the Islamic God was in fact very much opposite to those names.
But people Worship in reality deep inside the Perfect God even while their religion distorts him.
This is what I realized about myself.
