RE: Pastor once told me we all naturally believe in god
June 7, 2012 at 5:50 am
(This post was last modified: June 7, 2012 at 5:58 am by Tempus.)
Zentor, I understand you're having a tough time, so I'm going to preface this by saying you ought to seek out someone more qualified than the people here for advice. Further, you seem to be under the impression no one cares. Clearly the threads you make on this forum would not get the responses they do if nobody cared, so keep that in mind. That being said I'm I going to throw in my two cents and you might not like what I have to say.
Anyone telling you they know what someone else believes is a liar. Furthermore, being an atheist and believing in god(s) is contradictory. If you're angry at god(s) then you're an angry theist, not an atheist.
Incredibly self-pitying, egocentric nonsense. God likes everyone but you, huh? Presumably he likes those that suffer daily with debilitating diseases, those who can't get enough to eat, those trapped in abusive relationships, those who are tortured? You need to dispel this illusion. It's probably being maintained right now by confirmation bias. In fact, have a look in AF's own Anxiety / Depression / Mental Illness Support thread. You've already posted in there, but have you actually READ what other people have to say? People suffer all around the world, from all walks of life. Just because people you pass on the street seem happy doesn't mean they all are. I remember I knew someone in high school once who I thought was confident and happy, which made me envious of them. I later learned that they had the same insecurities I did and even other problems which I did not have to deal with. Don't be so quick to judge others based on their exterior or to declare god is specifically out to get you.
I used to game a lot. Anything done in excess is detrimental to you, I think. If you want to quit games, fine. If you don't enjoy college fine, but if you're just quitting it to spite god, then that's an silly reason. How do you even know any gods exist? Obviously you don't believe in the Christian one since you're describing a malevolent god. Why do you believe in this god? Something bad happens to you therefore god exists? That's very poor reasoning. I'd recommend going somewhere like Wikipedia and looking at cognitive biases and/or logical fallacies - they'll both help your reasoning skills.
Both bad ideas. And this is coming from someone who's done both those things before. Regular exercise, in conjunction with good hydration and a decent diet (and by diet I DO NOT mean abstaining from food which is also a terrible idea - I mean healthy eating) elevates your mood. Sleeping all day is a bad idea because firstly you don't get any sunlight and something your body gets from regular sunlight also elevates your mood if I remember correctly. Secondly, it will often mean you go to sleep at irregular times and sleep is a valuable commodity when it comes to health and depression. Another minor thing is that you typically consume less power at night without the need for as much lights and heating
But that's totally unrelated, haha. I personally think there's much more productive things you can do online than watch South Park. For example, maybe you could research depression (it sounds to me like you're depressed, but I can't make that diagnosis) and methods of combating it? Understanding what you're afflicted with, being able to spot your own rationalisations / poor reasoning, damaging behaviour patterns, etc can help you combat them. I would also suggest NOT watching TV or reading magazines or any other media which tells you that you should have a girlfriend (or else you're somehow deficient if you don't), that you should look like this or that, or that you need X possession to be accepted.
You are, of course, your own person, but I guess part of the reason I felt like responding is because I see some of my own old destructive thought patterns in you, such as the "why me?" attitude. I would actually really recommend a book I read sometime ago called 'The Alchemist' by Paulo Coelho. It's a book with a simple story, but a deeper message which I'm confident you'll be able to perceive. This post doesn't cover everything I could say and I'm certainly no expert, but I hope it benefits you nonetheless.
Good luck.
ETA: By the way, when people say "you need professional help" (or at least, when I say it anyway) they don't mean you're too crazy / too far gone for them to help. It's us acknowledging our own deficiency in expertise. We want you to have someone better and more qualified than us to talk to, basically. It's not intended as a brush off and I'm sure people would be willing to exchange their own personal experiences and personal advice in the Anxiety / Depression / Mental Illness Support thread.
(June 6, 2012 at 8:49 pm)zentor Wrote: And atheists and agnostics believe in god too, we are just angry with him so we use science to disprove him
Anyone telling you they know what someone else believes is a liar. Furthermore, being an atheist and believing in god(s) is contradictory. If you're angry at god(s) then you're an angry theist, not an atheist.
(June 6, 2012 at 8:49 pm)zentor Wrote: I kinda agree, but I believe god likes everyone but me, that's why I became agnostic. I understand everyone has trials in life, but seems like I'm always on the poising side of life.
Incredibly self-pitying, egocentric nonsense. God likes everyone but you, huh? Presumably he likes those that suffer daily with debilitating diseases, those who can't get enough to eat, those trapped in abusive relationships, those who are tortured? You need to dispel this illusion. It's probably being maintained right now by confirmation bias. In fact, have a look in AF's own Anxiety / Depression / Mental Illness Support thread. You've already posted in there, but have you actually READ what other people have to say? People suffer all around the world, from all walks of life. Just because people you pass on the street seem happy doesn't mean they all are. I remember I knew someone in high school once who I thought was confident and happy, which made me envious of them. I later learned that they had the same insecurities I did and even other problems which I did not have to deal with. Don't be so quick to judge others based on their exterior or to declare god is specifically out to get you.
(June 6, 2012 at 8:49 pm)zentor Wrote: I always get made fun of[1], I always get rejected by a girl[2], and I'm always the one who makes threads online about wanting to die[3]
Seems like everyone else I know irl Is just fine.[4] And when I told my Christian Friends how I feel, thy couldn't even imagine[5]. They just said j need I need to pray more and bring a change to my soul[6].
- You don't always get made fun of, because you're here and no one is making fun of you. In fact, we're trying to help - why? Because we care. There are many cruel people out there, as well as many kind people. If you continually (maybe unknowingly) seek out the company of the former crowd you will experience difficulties. Ask yourself this though: do you really want the company of those who give you a hard time?
- A lot of things could be happening here. This post is already very long.
- And is that productive? If you want help from people ask for it. Declaring you want to die online is a cry for help - do you really want to die? Or do you want to be accepted and happy? I think it's that last one. Once you know what you want then you can begin to figure out ways of how to get it. If you realise happiness as one of your goals then at least you have someone to go. There are things that increase happiness and things that decrease it. Adopting an "I want to die" attitude will get you nowhere.
- Maybe, maybe not. Clearly everyone in the world isn't. There are people worse off than you - confront this fact. I'll be very clear here that I'm not trying to diminish what you're feeling, but merely saying other people feel shit too - Christians, Muslims (as well as other religious adherents), and atheists, alike - you're not alone.
- Sometimes people won't understand because they haven't experienced any significant depression in their lives, but I can assure you that there are people who do know how it feels to be in a very bad way, including people on this forum.
- Normally I try to be impartial on religious matters when giving personal advice, but I can't help it: that's fucking bullshit. Changes to your disposition (ie you happiness or lack thereof) are brought about by changes in behaviour, environment, and social relations. Prayer is a change in behaviour, it's not going to magically get you a job, girlfriend, and make you happy (unless the actual act of prayer itself is enjoyable / whatever for you). It's going to harm you if you repeatedly expect prayer to work and then, when it inevitably doesn't, be crushed.
(June 6, 2012 at 8:49 pm)zentor Wrote: I tried everything to suck gods divine dick; but he just does not like me
So working on cutting him out of my life
Just gonna try to detach from thus life. I won't care about anything
I'll quit games
I'll quit trying ti get stable and do college
I used to game a lot. Anything done in excess is detrimental to you, I think. If you want to quit games, fine. If you don't enjoy college fine, but if you're just quitting it to spite god, then that's an silly reason. How do you even know any gods exist? Obviously you don't believe in the Christian one since you're describing a malevolent god. Why do you believe in this god? Something bad happens to you therefore god exists? That's very poor reasoning. I'd recommend going somewhere like Wikipedia and looking at cognitive biases and/or logical fallacies - they'll both help your reasoning skills.
(June 6, 2012 at 8:49 pm)zentor Wrote: I already quit working out
Im just gonna sleep all day and surf forums and maybe watch southpark online
Both bad ideas. And this is coming from someone who's done both those things before. Regular exercise, in conjunction with good hydration and a decent diet (and by diet I DO NOT mean abstaining from food which is also a terrible idea - I mean healthy eating) elevates your mood. Sleeping all day is a bad idea because firstly you don't get any sunlight and something your body gets from regular sunlight also elevates your mood if I remember correctly. Secondly, it will often mean you go to sleep at irregular times and sleep is a valuable commodity when it comes to health and depression. Another minor thing is that you typically consume less power at night without the need for as much lights and heating
But that's totally unrelated, haha. I personally think there's much more productive things you can do online than watch South Park. For example, maybe you could research depression (it sounds to me like you're depressed, but I can't make that diagnosis) and methods of combating it? Understanding what you're afflicted with, being able to spot your own rationalisations / poor reasoning, damaging behaviour patterns, etc can help you combat them. I would also suggest NOT watching TV or reading magazines or any other media which tells you that you should have a girlfriend (or else you're somehow deficient if you don't), that you should look like this or that, or that you need X possession to be accepted.You are, of course, your own person, but I guess part of the reason I felt like responding is because I see some of my own old destructive thought patterns in you, such as the "why me?" attitude. I would actually really recommend a book I read sometime ago called 'The Alchemist' by Paulo Coelho. It's a book with a simple story, but a deeper message which I'm confident you'll be able to perceive. This post doesn't cover everything I could say and I'm certainly no expert, but I hope it benefits you nonetheless.
Good luck.
ETA: By the way, when people say "you need professional help" (or at least, when I say it anyway) they don't mean you're too crazy / too far gone for them to help. It's us acknowledging our own deficiency in expertise. We want you to have someone better and more qualified than us to talk to, basically. It's not intended as a brush off and I'm sure people would be willing to exchange their own personal experiences and personal advice in the Anxiety / Depression / Mental Illness Support thread.
