RE: Why I'm not an Atheist and believe in what I believe.
June 8, 2012 at 9:27 pm
(This post was last modified: June 8, 2012 at 9:35 pm by Taqiyya Mockingbird.)
(June 8, 2012 at 7:27 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:(June 8, 2012 at 7:01 pm)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote: Did you somehow miss his unqualified statement that he bases his beliefs on his feelings?
What I see is a wall of verbose assertion-by-assertion and quibbling.
I feel the knowledge that killing a person for leaving his religion, be it a true one or not, is unjustified and wrong. This how I feel. Does it mean my feeling is unjustified without an argument? It has no basis if I can't make a rational argument proving it?
that is not a feeling.
Quote:A lot of Muslims could say to me, God knows his laws better, there could be some logic we are unaware of that says you are wrong. Can you prove definitely with valid arguments that we shouldn't kill people leaving the religion? For all you know, it's for the greater good that these laws were applied.
That is stupid.
Quote:This could be that the apostates if no fear of leaving the religion, would influence others, and a domino effect would make people unbelievers.
OH, it would be so terrible for people to shed delusion.
Quote:So God wanted out of grace to help save people from hell, to put apostates to death.
What's a "god"?
Quote:What would you say?I would say that you are making up bullshit. See above description of "Pathological Liar".
Quote: To me, even if I can't prove it by a rational argument,
That should tell you something very important. If you had any sense.
Quote: this feeling of mine that it is wrong, is strong enough and justified, that I believe it's knowledge of it being wrong.
See above description of "Pathological Liar".
Quote: I don't have to rationalize it.That is precisely what you are doing -- rationalizing it with your "feelings".
Quote:It's obvious, but it's in a mode of shinning knowledge, not argumentative analysis type.
What the fuck is "shinning"? What the fuck is "argumentative analysis type"?
Quote:This is an instance of intuitive knowledge.
This is an example of one desperately bullshitting oneself to justify clinging to superstitions that one is too lazy and fearful to question.
Quote: People should have freedom to chose their beliefs and not be killed for being wrong about it.
Tell that to your Inquisitors.
Quote:I'm not saying there isn't arguments to be made against apostasy laws of Islam, but at the end, most people would oppose not due to this arguments, but to intuitive knowledge.
Bald assertion. The idea of this intuitive knowledge" is pure-dee bullshit.
Quote: Notice also that, this same intuitive knowledge can be buried deep within a Muslim whom believes in the apostasy laws.
Superstition runs deep.
(June 8, 2012 at 8:22 pm)padraic Wrote: Your argument is that intuitive knowledge is reliable,which is demonstrably false. To claim 'sometimes' is special pleading and an evasion. (how can one possibly tell when?) In my opinion,you have not supported any of your claims with credible evidence. That means you may not assert them to be true. I don't think there is anything necessarily unreasonable about your beliefs; for all I know,you might be right,no matter how unlikely I think that might be. So far,you have not managed to prove you are right.
I REALLY don't care what you believe.However,if you present a belief as truth,prepare to be challenged and proof demanded, at least from me.
^this.
(June 8, 2012 at 7:48 pm)padraic Wrote: I do not doubt your sincerity. I think to call you a liar was adolescent and uncalled for.
And exactly who called him a liar? I was pointing out that the process he was using to rationalize his beliefs was the same as that of a pathological liar, in hope that he would examine his rationalization from that angle. I think invoking straw men is adolescent and uncalled for.
