(June 9, 2012 at 11:28 am)MysticKnight Wrote:(June 9, 2012 at 11:07 am)Tempus Wrote: Clearly at least slightly confused - why use such an error prone method of communication?
I'm a little confused by what you meant here. Perhaps you can clarify.
Quote:Basically if a god exists it's a fact of reality.
And if we have knowledge of him, it's based on reality. This the point I am making.
You have not shown any evidence of this "knowledge of [it]". On top of that, you need to clarify who this "we" is.
Quote:If Ultimate Greatness exists,
What does this "Ultimate Greatness" (trumpets blare) look like? Please demonstrate how that phrase is anything beyond meaningless word salad.
Quote: it seems all this spiritual knowledge
And now you are asserting a new idea of "spiritual knowledge". What is this "spiritual"? What is its relationship to knowledge? You have not shown any of this.
Quote:I'm talking about is not only possible but logical to assume would exist with his existence.
This is just a bald assertion, again invoking the same hackneyed circular reasoning, and it has no resemblance whatsoever to logic. None.
Quote:For example, if there was a conclusive philosophical argument to prove God in 10 years...
There is no such thing, and never will be. Arguments are not evidence. Assertions are not evidence. Assertions and arguments without evidence are sophistry (also known as BULSHIT).
Quote:and you know for certain this was a true argument and every philosopher and logician agreed upon the argument.
Are you seriously this naiive? how old are you, really? Serious question.
Quote:I don't think it would be rational to believe that God was not knowable until that argument came a long.
You have already demonstrated clearly that you do not have a grasp of what it means to be rational.
Quote:I think it's more rational to believe God made his knowledge properly basic in the soul the same as morality, were he to exist.
And again you have not provided any evidence whatsoever to support this assertion of a "soul", whatever that might be.
Quote:As I stated earlier:
To assert God exists and has given us knowledge of himself, so I made right decision would be circular reasoning. To assert God doesn't exist or that he exists but hasn't given knowledge of himself, so I made wrong decision would be circular reasoning.
And it's still as much word salad as the first time you said it.
Quote:It rather just comes to honestly asking yourself if it's genuine knowledge.
Intellectual honesty is something you are clearly lacking in here. Nothing you have asserted here about your made-up deity or supposed souls, etc., can be traced to either "genuine knowledge" or intellectual honesty.
Quote:And here I respect either Atheist decision that we don't know or Theists decision that we do know.
That would be an agnostic's position, but you cannot claim to "respect" it when you misrepresent it (and the atheist's understanding) so badly as you did above.
Quote:I myself believe I do know.
Based solely on your feelings and the above irrationalities and attendant word salad.
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(June 9, 2012 at 11:21 am)Ace Otana Wrote: I'm glad you use the words 'I think'. Many like to state it as if it's a fact.
Well I think it's a fact, but it seems impolite in a discussion forum in a debate to state things as facts, when the other side is debating it.
You did just that with your utterly ridiculous assertions about atheists' reasons for being atheists. And you have been sprinkling your assertions as if they were facts all through this thread.
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(June 9, 2012 at 11:21 am)Ace Otana Wrote: How can one know there is a god? How can you tell that it's not a delusion?
You see to me this is a fallacy.
WHAT fallacy are you claiming it is? You appear to simply be calling it a fallacy because you have no other defense against, as if calling it names would invalidate it somehow.
Quote: Their can be a relationship between God and the soul or mind or conscious that establishes this knowledge. It's possible.
This is just chock-full of begging-the-question. You would have to define and establish through evidence the existence of each of these before you could even begin to assert some sort of relationship between them.
Quote:The question should be, "Is there one?" Not "how can there be one".
The question is this: You are asserting this idea of a god-thing. Provide evidence to support your assertion.