(June 10, 2012 at 7:50 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Less claiming, more demonstrating. Perhaps the Protestants are "on the right track" and you are hopelessly mistaken? Should I post the lmgtfy or are you willing to just back away from your claim about a lack of evidence regarding the passage in question?
I didn't say "right track". I said on track--consistent with prior patterns. The whole basis of Protestantism, the entire meaning of Protestantism, was breaking off of the established church, and many of them break off from each other. That is what Protestantism is. And they break away from each other as well.

There is 100% a lack of evidence. For someone who complains about "less claiming and more demonstrating" you should start demonstrating yourself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_popes
Gives a full list of Popes, which are attested to by Christian Fathers (and by their own writings) from the earliest days of Christianity. St. Linus is explicitly referred to as the heir to St. Peter by St. Iraneus in 180. We have writings from St. Anacletus, St. Clement, and St. Evaristus as Bishops of Rome.
(June 11, 2012 at 1:23 am)apophenia Wrote: The Sunni's and Shia make the same ignorant noises about "tradition" and "tracks" and the only practical result is people blowing themselves and innocent children to bits, and flying planes into buildings. Or maybe Azrael would like to lecture us on the tradition of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and the Twelvers, and how they're on "the right track".
(And why do I suspect that Azrael, despite the female avatar, is likely a balding middle aged apologist?)
I'm guessing you mean Aiza, Azrael is the traditional Angel of Death.

Flying planes into buildings (Really?) is by far a break with established traditions. Wtf?
And, ngl, "a balding middle aged apologist" is the weirdest attempt at ad hominem I think ever. I am in my 20s, certainly not balding (!!!!), and not an apologist either, really (maybe?). My avatar is St. Theresa of the Andes, a Carmelite Nun who I greatly admire and the writer of the quote in my avatar. I'm not called to a Carmelite Vocation as I am much more drawn to apostolic life, so I plan on joining the Dominicans instead (perhaps I will make my avatar St. Catherine of Sienna next).
Mary Immaculate, star of the morning
Chosen before the creation began
Chosen to bring for your bridal adorning
Woe to the serpent and rescue to man.
Sinners, we honor your sinless perfection;
Fallen and weak, for your pity we plead;
Grand us the shield of your sovereign protection,
Measure your aid by the depth of our need.
Bend from your throne at the voice of our crying,
Bend to this earth which your footsteps have trod;
Stretch out your arms to us, living and dying,
Mary Immaculate, Mother of God.
Chosen before the creation began
Chosen to bring for your bridal adorning
Woe to the serpent and rescue to man.
Sinners, we honor your sinless perfection;
Fallen and weak, for your pity we plead;
Grand us the shield of your sovereign protection,
Measure your aid by the depth of our need.
Bend from your throne at the voice of our crying,
Bend to this earth which your footsteps have trod;
Stretch out your arms to us, living and dying,
Mary Immaculate, Mother of God.
