RE: Cutting the head off Medusa
June 11, 2012 at 5:37 pm
(This post was last modified: June 11, 2012 at 6:20 pm by Brian37.)
You still miss my point. There is no absolute "right way". CONTEXT matters and is what determines if I will be polite, or say "fuck you".
If someone is a violent dick, or oppressing someone within their society, I have no qualms about cussing those assholes out.
But if you think simply because I may cuss an individual out, or warn someone of the dangers of religion means every religious person will hate me, is absurd. There are plenty of believers who think men who treat women like property deserve condemnation and plenty willing to cuss those dicks out like I do.
Your intent of "only say nice things" is utopian and does not nor ever fit a complex world.
There are are few ways to say "The moon is not made of cheese" When putting like that and someone still reacts violently, what do you do then?
And how are you doing any oppressed minority, like women in Afghanistan by coddling the sexism of the men who rule over them with an iron fist?
Muslim women here can and will read this and that message gets sent back to the east and their relatives. And even with cussing, I have also cussed out the assholes who objected to the Mosque in NY, not because I agree with the faith of Islam, but hate the fact that we have a Constitution that protects freedom of religion and there are still pricks living here willing to shit on that concept.
Your problem is that you need to learn to separate issues. And that is how we can undermine set thinking, by showing people that there is no one way to view things.
There are theists I have blasted. In fact one thread on another website that has gone on for 5 years. Now in that context I attacked his claims, not him the person. He didn't run away and was NOT a violent prick and never threatened me, so in that context I had no need or desire to call him a fucktard, although I still think anyone with a deity belief is full of shit, he certainly knew that I felt that way, not about him, but about his claims. He threw his jabs ad my positions and I threw mine at his and sometimes it was not pretty. But I never hated him, and I am sure he does not hate me.
I think you do minorities and even theists in the majority a disservice by thinking everyone who gets confrontational has a glass jaw and will kill over it.
Those words alone contain no cussing, but I doubt you could go up to the Imam of Iran and call his beliefs "silly".
In the west we have learned that we cant beat the shit out of someone for merely saying things that offend us. Maybe if we demonstrated that concept here, it could catch on there, otherwise you are coddling the insecurities of that Imam who would have you put to death for calling his beliefs "silly".
"Silly" to a nutjob is no different than saying "fuck".
Oh and my Catholic mother has heard me say "fuck god" but understood when I did it I was not saying "lets go kill all believers". She new in that context when I used it as part of an example, AGREED with me that merely being offended is not a license to demand silence of others or physically harm them.
And I read the op to her and her only objection to it were the words "especially atheists". Other than that, she liked it.
So your assertion that people will always have a glass jaw is baseless and for the people who do, those people wont listen to you no matter how polite you try to object to their claims.
EDIT I WAS TRYING TO QUOTE ANOTHER PERSON IN THIS THREAD AND THE FOLLOWING MERELY GOT ADDED TO MY LAST POST INSTEAD OF MAKING A NEW POST.
Wow, if the hypocrisy were any thicker it would put a hole in the ozone layer beyond what human pollution has done.
Now you just cussed at someone. My point is so what. Do you see me demanding you censor yourself? The mature people on this website should be, and or more concerned with your argument than your word choice. And the other mature thing they can do is put you on ignore, or simply not respond to your posts. But how is it I can accept that it is not my right to tell you how to respond to others, but you cant grasp that concept yourself.
And I too am with the others here who say, I am not entitled to make people like me, they either will or they wont, it's called reality.
If I had a nickle for everyone who called equated me to Stalin or called me immoral or cussed me out because they don't like atheists, I'd make Bill Gates look like a wino bumb. But that is reality, deal with it instead of insisting people be a clone of you.
If someone is a violent dick, or oppressing someone within their society, I have no qualms about cussing those assholes out.
But if you think simply because I may cuss an individual out, or warn someone of the dangers of religion means every religious person will hate me, is absurd. There are plenty of believers who think men who treat women like property deserve condemnation and plenty willing to cuss those dicks out like I do.
Your intent of "only say nice things" is utopian and does not nor ever fit a complex world.
There are are few ways to say "The moon is not made of cheese" When putting like that and someone still reacts violently, what do you do then?
And how are you doing any oppressed minority, like women in Afghanistan by coddling the sexism of the men who rule over them with an iron fist?
Muslim women here can and will read this and that message gets sent back to the east and their relatives. And even with cussing, I have also cussed out the assholes who objected to the Mosque in NY, not because I agree with the faith of Islam, but hate the fact that we have a Constitution that protects freedom of religion and there are still pricks living here willing to shit on that concept.
Your problem is that you need to learn to separate issues. And that is how we can undermine set thinking, by showing people that there is no one way to view things.
There are theists I have blasted. In fact one thread on another website that has gone on for 5 years. Now in that context I attacked his claims, not him the person. He didn't run away and was NOT a violent prick and never threatened me, so in that context I had no need or desire to call him a fucktard, although I still think anyone with a deity belief is full of shit, he certainly knew that I felt that way, not about him, but about his claims. He threw his jabs ad my positions and I threw mine at his and sometimes it was not pretty. But I never hated him, and I am sure he does not hate me.
I think you do minorities and even theists in the majority a disservice by thinking everyone who gets confrontational has a glass jaw and will kill over it.
Quote:silly beliefs
Those words alone contain no cussing, but I doubt you could go up to the Imam of Iran and call his beliefs "silly".
In the west we have learned that we cant beat the shit out of someone for merely saying things that offend us. Maybe if we demonstrated that concept here, it could catch on there, otherwise you are coddling the insecurities of that Imam who would have you put to death for calling his beliefs "silly".
"Silly" to a nutjob is no different than saying "fuck".
Oh and my Catholic mother has heard me say "fuck god" but understood when I did it I was not saying "lets go kill all believers". She new in that context when I used it as part of an example, AGREED with me that merely being offended is not a license to demand silence of others or physically harm them.
And I read the op to her and her only objection to it were the words "especially atheists". Other than that, she liked it.
So your assertion that people will always have a glass jaw is baseless and for the people who do, those people wont listen to you no matter how polite you try to object to their claims.
EDIT I WAS TRYING TO QUOTE ANOTHER PERSON IN THIS THREAD AND THE FOLLOWING MERELY GOT ADDED TO MY LAST POST INSTEAD OF MAKING A NEW POST.
Wow, if the hypocrisy were any thicker it would put a hole in the ozone layer beyond what human pollution has done.
Now you just cussed at someone. My point is so what. Do you see me demanding you censor yourself? The mature people on this website should be, and or more concerned with your argument than your word choice. And the other mature thing they can do is put you on ignore, or simply not respond to your posts. But how is it I can accept that it is not my right to tell you how to respond to others, but you cant grasp that concept yourself.
And I too am with the others here who say, I am not entitled to make people like me, they either will or they wont, it's called reality.
If I had a nickle for everyone who called equated me to Stalin or called me immoral or cussed me out because they don't like atheists, I'd make Bill Gates look like a wino bumb. But that is reality, deal with it instead of insisting people be a clone of you.
