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Neil deGrasse Tyson off the hook!
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Neil deGrasse Tyson off the hook!
He will return to Cosmos and StarTalk after investigation completed. 

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/neil-degr...f6b0f367ca


I hope it is true because I couldn't take anymore. Kevin Spacey, Al Franken, Lawrence Krauss Garrison Keillor(? WTF), then Tyson? Who next? Bill Nye? There has to.be a few good men we can look up to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4zRe_wvJw8

It's a classic , take a look and smile!









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RE: Neil deGrasse Tyson off the hook!
(March 15, 2019 at 8:01 pm)chimp3 Wrote: He will return to Cosmos and StarTalk after investigation completed. 

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/neil-degr...f6b0f367ca


I hope it is true because I couldn't take anymore. Kevin Spacey, Al Franken, Lawrence Krauss Garrison Keillor(? WTF), then Tyson? Who next? Bill Nye? There has to.be a few good men we can look up to.

A person can remain a good man for some things without being a good man for all things.

I also think the possibility that an innocent person can suffer from being wrongfully accused is always graver and require more complete guard than thepossibility that a victim of a crime may not see justice.
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RE: Neil deGrasse Tyson off the hook!
A line from A Monster Calls that I took great pains to point out when I reviewed it last year:

Quote:How can a prince be a murderer and a savior? How can an apothecary be evil-tempered but right-thinking? How can invisible men make themselves more lonely by being seen? … Because humans are complicated beasts. You believe comforting lies while knowing full well the painful truths that make those lies necessary.

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(March 15, 2019 at 8:42 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: I also think the possibility that an innocent person can suffer from being wrongfully accused is always graver and require more complete guard than thepossibility that a victim of a crime may not see justice.

Absofuckinglutely. I strongly agree with MLK that “An injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere,” whether it’s in a rapist going free or an innocent man being accused of it and punished for it.

I should point out that while false accusations are comparatively rare (a recent study pegs them at about 5.5%), even one is a horrible thing, and one thing that's become increasingly common in the post MeToo world, one that alarms me so much about the discourse that it makes me more and more hesitant to even consider myself a feminist, is that, in response to not being believed, many seem alarmingly cavalier about the possibility of false accusations. Yes, many anti-feminists bring the subject up in bad faith to discredit rape culture and many overestimate how common they are. But that doesn't justify going to the other extreme of dismissing the possibility entirely, especially when there's still room for doubt. If one didn't know any better, one would suspect that this is what you're like deep down (why, yes, I do have an extremely poor view of my fellow man, especially in the plural):




I can remember watching Spalding Gray's Swimming to Cambodia, and in the middle of his descriptions of filming a movie about the Cambodian genocides, he decides to go into detail about the horrors that Pol Pot inflicted on his people, reducing the population of Cambodia by a third (something even Hitler failed to achieve) and said that they justified it by saying "It was better to kill an innocent than to leave an enemy alive." To be fair, I don't think we're likely to reach the point of "tearing children apart like fresh bread in front of their mothers," and, this may be my cynical mindset talking, but I'm not sure if this is more indicative of any moral standards or more indicative of the limitations inherent in the outrage machines in the social media hiveminds.

Best solution: when an accusation arises, be prepared to either lose all respect for a given person or for that person to be cleared. Don't make any conclusions until we have all the evidence (or at least a preponderance of evidence that all seems to go one way). If things point strongly towards innocence, accept that. If things point strongly towards guilt, accept that. If things are ambiguous, acknowledge that. To do otherwise is dangerous and just fucking irresponsible.
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RE: Neil deGrasse Tyson off the hook!
(March 15, 2019 at 8:01 pm)chimp3 Wrote: There has to.be a few good men we can look up to.

People have been discussing this a lot in the worlds of art and literature where I spend most of my time. Some great writers were terrible people. 

The sanest approach I've heard so far is to examine what their work contains. If appreciating their work requires of us that we share those horrible values, then the work should be ignored. If, on the other hand, the creator was flawed but the creation rises above it, there is no need to deprive ourselves of something good. 

This applies best to dead people, of course. People who still have the power to abuse should be deprived of the power to do so. 

Everybody is weak and flawed. By our productions we attempt to rise above that, and offer something good. That should be worth something.
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RE: Neil deGrasse Tyson off the hook!
To be honest, I'm not totally informed on the NDT situation. I have a hard time seeing him being a sexually predatory person, but then again I would've said that for Spacey as well, and it's pretty clear that Spacey is a fucking creep. That being said, I''m totally with the Me Too movement and agree that we should be calling out these people when and where we see these types of behaviors.

The thing is, I think it's worth asking the question... Where do we draw the line? Is some guy at work telling you that you're looking cute in that blue dress you're wearing sexual harassment? If that's so, I've been "sexually harassed" plenty of times by women. To be honest though, I never viewed the situations as sexual harassment, but rather these women making comments to me that they didn't realize would be insanely awkward and uncomfortable for me. Usually if a woman comments on my appearance I can shrug it off.

But one time a woman wanted to hook me up with her daughter and wanted to take pictures of me at work to send to her daughter. I had no clue what her daughter looked like or who she was or what intentions either of them would have with such photos. Was that sexual harassment? Nah, I don't think so. It was uncomfortable and it was an unwanted advance in more ways than one, but not sexual harassment.

If I ask a woman out on a date and she feels uncomfortable about it, that's not sexual harassment. That's just me getting denied, lol.

I don't know. I think it must be frustrating to be a woman in the sense that every guy that talks to you or interacts with you may have some creepy ulterior motives. It must be annoying for a woman to be hit on from the age of 12 all the way through adulthood. The few times I've had women make awkward advances on me, it honestly taught me to be more sensitive to how women must feel out in the world and, honestly, made me think of times that I was probably being creepy toward girls.

So yea, not sure what the NDT situation is, I'm gonna google it now. But I REALLY doubt he's the predator type. That being said, I'm willing to change my opinion based on evidence.
"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully." - Richard Dawkins in The God Delusion
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RE: Neil deGrasse Tyson off the hook!
I try my best not to make a saint/angel out of any celebrity. I've had this temptation with people like Bernie Sanders, but you just can never know who is hiding something really dark about their lives no matter how good and decent they appear. Hell, even Gandhi has allegations of sexual perverseness against him, and I wouldn't be surprised if the whole story of him sleeping naked with adolescent girls was true and out of a sexual motive instead of some pure innocent cultural tradition.

Enjoying their works (books, songs, movies, scientific findings, etc.) is one thing, but one shouldn't therefore have to excuse any really shitty behavior on their part (especially if it's criminal or borderline criminal) just because they're a fan of them. Not saying to believe everything you read about them, but keep in mind we do have this tendency to hastily excuse and "protect" the people we really like instead of just waiting it out and seeing where the evidence leads.
"Our attitudes towards things like race or gender operate on two levels. First of all, we have our conscious attitudes. This is what we choose to believe. These are our stated values, which we use to direct our behavior deliberately ... But the IAT [Implicit Association Test] measures something else. It measures our second level of attitude, our racial attitude on an unconscious level - the immediate, automatic associations that tumble out before we've even had time to think. We don't deliberately choose our unconscious attitudes. And ... we may not even be aware of them. The giant computer that is our unconscious silently crunches all the data it can from the experiences we've had, the people we've met, the lessons we've learned, the books we've read, the movies we've seen, and so on, and it forms an opinion." - Malcolm Gladwell
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