Cutting the head off Medusa

[Brian37]

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You still miss my point. There is no absolute "right way". CONTEXT matters and is what determines if I will be polite, or say "fuck you".

If someone is a violent dick, or oppressing someone within their society, I have no qualms about cussing those assholes out.

But if you think simply because I may cuss an individual out, or warn someone of the dangers of religion means every religious person will hate me, is absurd. There are plenty of believers who think men who treat women like property deserve condemnation and plenty willing to cuss those dicks out like I do.

Your intent of "only say nice things" is utopian and does not nor ever fit a complex world.

There are are few ways to say "The moon is not made of cheese" When putting like that and someone still reacts violently, what do you do then?

And how are you doing any oppressed minority, like women in Afghanistan by coddling the sexism of the men who rule over them with an iron fist?

Muslim women here can and will read this and that message gets sent back to the east and their relatives. And even with cussing, I have also cussed out the assholes who objected to the Mosque in NY, not because I agree with the faith of Islam, but hate the fact that we have a Constitution that protects freedom of religion and there are still pricks living here willing to shit on that concept.

Your problem is that you need to learn to separate issues. And that is how we can undermine set thinking, by showing people that there is no one way to view things.

There are theists I have blasted. In fact one thread on another website that has gone on for 5 years. Now in that context I attacked his claims, not him the person. He didn't run away and was NOT a violent prick and never threatened me, so in that context I had no need or desire to call him a fucktard, although I still think anyone with a deity belief is full of shit, he certainly knew that I felt that way, not about him, but about his claims. He threw his jabs ad my positions and I threw mine at his and sometimes it was not pretty. But I never hated him, and I am sure he does not hate me.

I think you do minorities and even theists in the majority a disservice by thinking everyone who gets confrontational has a glass jaw and will kill over it.

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Wow. Your response is so full of red herrings and refutations to points I never made that I feel I must summarize the point I am actually trying to make, so it will be impossible for you to misconsture what I have to say, unless of course you are willfully being obtuse.

Insulting people is detrimental to getting them to change their beliefs.

Says you.

"Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions" THOMAS JEFFERSON.

I have given you multiple examples of why it can be, NOT ALWAYS, but can be a useful tool.

Again, when people talk in terms of ANY blanket solution, ON ANY SUBJECT, not just this, but anything, you set yourself up for stagnation.

If I told you to always "ridicule" in every context no matter what, that is a form of dogmatism and would be just as wrong as what you are suggesting here.

I failed basic training, you want to know why? Not because I couldn't do it, I actually loved the physical stuff, but because I was to young to understand what they were trying to do to me. From 5 am to 10 pm I was shouted at and felt like a piece of shit, but feeling like a piece of shit was my own fault and lack of understanding of the situation and the intent of it. Simply put I was not emotionally prepared. They were trying to get me to get over my fear and be unafraid.

WHICH IS WHY I tell any theist if they are not comfortable in the boxing ring DONT JUMP IN. I had no business back then getting involved in something I was not prepared for.


I like you are falsely accusing me of, took what the Drill Instructors did as personal, rather than a test.

You cripple people by handing the emotional crutch of a taboo especially the minorities with this good intent.

I don't know how more clear I can make it. It is a matter of context and comfort level, not absolutes, not for them, not for us.

If I say "Don't take it personally" then why shouldn't that be enough? And what right does that person have after I say that and after they still engage to continue to make demands when the choice is on them.

I want to debate theists and I don't mind the heat, and like I said before, you falsely assume that everyone who gets offended, has a glass jaw. If that is the case I would never debate someone who equated me to Hitler for being an atheist.

What most people do is falsely treat there claims as being them, when claims are not people, but what people claim. If people would learn to separate the two they would know they should not be taking it personally and do not have to be afraid of merely being offended.

Stick to your own comfort level and don't assume all theists cant handle me or cant like me because of my tactic.