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Science + Creation
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RE: Science + Creation
(June 2, 2012 at 4:01 am)FallentoReason Wrote:
(June 2, 2012 at 3:27 am)Chuck Wrote: The claim that bible account reflects without contradiction such reality as revealed by scientific fact is itself unreasonable.
How so? Where's the flaw in the claim if the facts (science) and the account (the Bible) are in agreement?

The facts of bible only agrees with facts of science in very trivial ways, meaning only on things any bronze age idiot can see for themselves, such as wines make people drunk, hacking at people causes them to become dead.

In anything that requires knowledge from an more advanced age than the iron ages, the bible is not only wrong, even given apologists' kuma sutra's worth of contortions in trying to argue otherwise, but randomly wrong. This means not only did the author of the bible make mistakes, but the basis of their mistakes is genuine total ignorance disguised with overreaching bullshit.

(June 2, 2012 at 4:01 am)FallentoReason Wrote: I just watched the first 50 seconds of that one and I agree with what it's saying about the speed of light. The thing with the video my friend showed me is that their argument is that time wasn't constant in the beginning.

Because the simple explanation of why the universe is so old relies on the equation

time = distance/speed

it means that if time wasn't constant then that changes the outcome of the equation to a possibly wrong answer, just like if the speed of light wasn't always constant (which I think it always has). Either way I'll check out the 5 videos and see what their arguments are.

This is a nonsesnical argument. Time is nothing more than the fundamental rate at which things happen, one of which is menifested in the rate at which light covers distance in a vacumn. Based on the well tested E=MC^2 formula, the speed of light is not just a coincidental property of light, it is a basic property of the universe governing the foundational relationship between fundamental particles of matter and energy. If this constant speed of light were C were to change throughout history of the universe, the fundamental properties of matter would change, and that would menifest itself in the behavior of matter such as their how atomic nucleii undergo nuclear fusion. If how matter undergo nuclear fusion changes, how star shine would also change. This we can observe by looking at distant stars.

The fact that stars now and those all the way back12 billion years ago can be observed to carry on thermal nuclear reaction exactly consistent with equations of physics as they apply now. This shows C has not changed. Those light that appear 12 billion years old are indeed 12 billion years old and have traveled 12 billion light years at the same constant C during all those time.
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Science + Creation - by FallentoReason - June 2, 2012 at 1:07 am
RE: Science + Creation - by Anomalocaris - June 2, 2012 at 3:14 am
RE: Science + Creation - by FallentoReason - June 2, 2012 at 3:23 am
RE: Science + Creation - by Anomalocaris - June 2, 2012 at 3:27 am
RE: Science + Creation - by FallentoReason - June 2, 2012 at 4:01 am
RE: Science + Creation - by toro - June 3, 2012 at 1:41 pm
RE: Science + Creation - by Godschild - June 20, 2012 at 12:00 am
RE: Science + Creation - by Zen Badger - June 20, 2012 at 5:36 am
RE: Science + Creation - by Godschild - June 20, 2012 at 12:58 pm
RE: Science + Creation - by Zen Badger - June 21, 2012 at 6:08 am
RE: Science + Creation - by Anomalocaris - June 20, 2012 at 1:05 pm
RE: Science + Creation - by Angrboda - June 21, 2012 at 1:43 pm
RE: Science + Creation - by Thor - June 21, 2012 at 1:47 pm
RE: Science + Creation - by Anomalocaris - June 20, 2012 at 12:45 pm
RE: Science + Creation - by Angrboda - June 2, 2012 at 3:37 am
RE: Science + Creation - by Epimethean - June 2, 2012 at 8:26 am
RE: Science + Creation - by Panglossian - June 2, 2012 at 9:05 am
RE: Science + Creation - by Epimethean - June 2, 2012 at 9:31 am
RE: Science + Creation - by Anomalocaris - June 2, 2012 at 12:47 pm
RE: Science + Creation - by Reforged - June 2, 2012 at 9:36 am
RE: Science + Creation - by Drich - June 2, 2012 at 12:42 pm
RE: Science + Creation - by Thor - June 5, 2012 at 10:45 am
RE: Science + Creation - by FallentoReason - June 3, 2012 at 11:53 am
RE: Science + Creation - by Drich - June 3, 2012 at 5:30 pm
RE: Science + Creation - by Epimethean - June 3, 2012 at 6:15 pm
RE: Science + Creation - by The Grand Nudger - June 3, 2012 at 8:11 pm
RE: Science + Creation - by Polaris - June 4, 2012 at 7:47 pm
RE: Science + Creation - by Anomalocaris - June 4, 2012 at 8:45 pm
RE: Science + Creation - by Drich - June 5, 2012 at 10:33 am
RE: Science + Creation - by orogenicman - June 5, 2012 at 10:53 am
RE: Science + Creation - by Angrboda - June 5, 2012 at 5:32 pm
RE: Science + Creation - by Aiza - June 7, 2012 at 12:13 am
RE: Science + Creation - by FallentoReason - June 7, 2012 at 12:28 am
RE: Science + Creation - by Epimethean - June 7, 2012 at 9:21 am
RE: Science + Creation - by Aiza - June 7, 2012 at 11:39 am
RE: Science + Creation - by The Grand Nudger - June 7, 2012 at 9:47 am
RE: Science + Creation - by Faith No More - June 7, 2012 at 10:55 am
RE: Science + Creation - by Epimethean - June 7, 2012 at 11:42 am
RE: Science + Creation - by libalchris - June 7, 2012 at 1:14 pm
RE: Science + Creation - by The Grand Nudger - June 8, 2012 at 8:46 am
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RE: Science + Creation - by Cato - June 9, 2012 at 1:44 am
RE: Science + Creation - by Aiza - June 9, 2012 at 10:27 pm
RE: Science + Creation - by downbeatplumb - June 10, 2012 at 7:08 am
RE: Science + Creation - by Anomalocaris - June 8, 2012 at 4:50 pm
RE: Science + Creation - by Epimethean - June 8, 2012 at 10:40 pm
RE: Science + Creation - by The Grand Nudger - June 9, 2012 at 6:11 pm
RE: Science + Creation - by FallentoReason - June 9, 2012 at 9:29 pm
RE: Science + Creation - by The Grand Nudger - June 9, 2012 at 11:13 pm
RE: Science + Creation - by Aiza - June 10, 2012 at 12:16 am
RE: Science + Creation - by The Grand Nudger - June 10, 2012 at 12:20 am
RE: Science + Creation - by Aiza - June 10, 2012 at 1:29 am
RE: Science + Creation - by cratehorus - June 10, 2012 at 12:22 am
RE: Science + Creation - by Zen Badger - June 10, 2012 at 7:35 am
RE: Science + Creation - by The Grand Nudger - June 10, 2012 at 9:25 am
RE: Science + Creation - by Aiza - June 10, 2012 at 3:00 pm
RE: Science + Creation - by The Grand Nudger - June 10, 2012 at 7:50 pm
RE: Science + Creation - by Angrboda - June 11, 2012 at 1:23 am
RE: Science + Creation - by Aiza - June 11, 2012 at 2:06 am
RE: Science + Creation - by Angrboda - June 11, 2012 at 5:42 am
RE: Science + Creation - by The Grand Nudger - June 11, 2012 at 8:17 am
RE: Science + Creation - by Aiza - June 11, 2012 at 4:30 pm
RE: Science + Creation - by downbeatplumb - June 11, 2012 at 1:03 pm
RE: Science + Creation - by The Grand Nudger - June 11, 2012 at 1:15 pm
RE: Science + Creation - by Epimethean - June 11, 2012 at 2:42 pm
RE: Science + Creation - by Epimethean - June 11, 2012 at 5:09 pm
RE: Science + Creation - by The Grand Nudger - June 11, 2012 at 5:21 pm
RE: Science + Creation - by Aiza - June 12, 2012 at 1:58 am
RE: Science + Creation - by Angrboda - June 12, 2012 at 2:06 am
RE: Science + Creation - by Epimethean - June 12, 2012 at 3:06 am
RE: Science + Creation - by The Grand Nudger - June 12, 2012 at 9:11 am
RE: Science + Creation - by Aiza - June 12, 2012 at 10:08 pm
RE: Science + Creation - by Angrboda - June 13, 2012 at 2:12 am
RE: Science + Creation - by Epimethean - June 12, 2012 at 10:15 am
RE: Science + Creation - by The Grand Nudger - June 12, 2012 at 10:35 pm
RE: Science + Creation - by Aiza - June 13, 2012 at 12:51 am
RE: Science + Creation - by FallentoReason - June 13, 2012 at 2:52 am
RE: Science + Creation - by Angrboda - June 13, 2012 at 3:00 am
RE: Science + Creation - by Epimethean - June 13, 2012 at 10:36 am
RE: Science + Creation - by The Grand Nudger - June 13, 2012 at 11:42 am
RE: Science + Creation - by Aiza - June 13, 2012 at 4:22 pm
RE: Science + Creation - by Cato - June 14, 2012 at 12:43 am
RE: Science + Creation - by Reforged - June 17, 2012 at 12:45 am
RE: Science + Creation - by Aiza - June 17, 2012 at 2:20 am
RE: Science + Creation - by Cato - June 17, 2012 at 10:33 am
RE: Science + Creation - by Anomalocaris - June 13, 2012 at 4:32 pm
RE: Science + Creation - by Epimethean - June 13, 2012 at 4:33 pm
RE: Science + Creation - by The Grand Nudger - June 13, 2012 at 9:04 pm
RE: Science + Creation - by Angrboda - June 14, 2012 at 12:15 am
RE: Science + Creation - by Adjusted Sanity - June 17, 2012 at 12:50 am
RE: Science + Creation - by downbeatplumb - June 17, 2012 at 6:32 am
RE: Science + Creation - by downbeatplumb - June 20, 2012 at 12:55 pm
RE: Science + Creation - by Anomalocaris - June 20, 2012 at 1:10 pm
RE: Science + Creation - by Epimethean - June 20, 2012 at 12:59 pm
RE: Science + Creation - by Godschild - June 21, 2012 at 12:21 am
RE: Science + Creation - by Epimethean - June 22, 2012 at 12:46 pm
RE: Science + Creation - by Epimethean - June 20, 2012 at 1:08 pm
RE: Science + Creation - by Tempus - June 21, 2012 at 1:59 pm
RE: Science + Creation - by Anomalocaris - June 21, 2012 at 3:00 pm
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