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Atheists= intelligent?
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RE: Atheists= intelligent?
(October 31, 2008 at 1:20 pm)josef rosenkranz Wrote:
(October 31, 2008 at 12:15 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote:
(October 30, 2008 at 2:07 pm)josef rosenkranz Wrote: So in my opinion as an atheist you can say that you believe that this or other rational thinking (scientific) theory is right or wrong but you can not say that you have faith without religion because they are one and the same thing.

What belongs to Stalin he thought of himself as a Genius of humanity ,and was in fact hailed as such in the Soviet Union and by commies abroad ,he was in fact a smart guy who outbrained his colleagues but his faith or anti-faith believes are by long thrown to the dustbin of history.
So what would you call someone like Stalin or a much milder example of him if this dogma that he imposed was not faith based nor was it religious?
Would you call it superstition?
What would you call it?

If this issue bothers you I would recommend to read the book published some 2-3 years ago "The court of the red Tsar " by Simon Sebag Montefiore.
I would add from my close knowledge of that issue that Stalin was an atheist.Atheism was thaught in all schools beginning with the kindergarten and Darwinism was in high esteem but only in the field if biology in it's original version.
The soviets did not accept the theory of genetics saying,stupidly,that if the genes determine the behaviour of man then the capitalists will say that the poor are born poor and the rich are rich due to genes so that the revolutionary struggle between classe makes no sense.
But beside that stupidity which kept back Russian science for about 30 years,Atheism was part of soviet official ideology and intensely promoted by education and mass media.
Religion was not officially banned but a member of the Party caught visting a church or a synagogue was exposed to severe consequences.

Even stalin, I just did some research and he even killed people while robbing. So how can he be seen as good or bad, he was also ruthless person. In his mind it was good but others might see it as bad, but really does it matter if its one or the other if the end result is death and can you please answer the question, why are we born?
(October 31, 2008 at 1:41 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote:
(October 31, 2008 at 1:20 pm)josef rosenkranz Wrote:
(October 31, 2008 at 12:15 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote:
(October 30, 2008 at 2:07 pm)josef rosenkranz Wrote: So in my opinion as an atheist you can say that you believe that this or other rational thinking (scientific) theory is right or wrong but you can not say that you have faith without religion because they are one and the same thing.

What belongs to Stalin he thought of himself as a Genius of humanity ,and was in fact hailed as such in the Soviet Union and by commies abroad ,he was in fact a smart guy who outbrained his colleagues but his faith or anti-faith believes are by long thrown to the dustbin of history.
So what would you call someone like Stalin or a much milder example of him if this dogma that he imposed was not faith based nor was it religious?
Would you call it superstition?
What would you call it?

If this issue bothers you I would recommend to read the book published some 2-3 years ago "The court of the red Tsar " by Simon Sebag Montefiore.
I would add from my close knowledge of that issue that Stalin was an atheist.Atheism was thaught in all schools beginning with the kindergarten and Darwinism was in high esteem but only in the field if biology in it's original version.
The soviets did not accept the theory of genetics saying,stupidly,that if the genes determine the behaviour of man then the capitalists will say that the poor are born poor and the rich are rich due to genes so that the revolutionary struggle between classe makes no sense.
But beside that stupidity which kept back Russian science for about 30 years,Atheism was part of soviet official ideology and intensely promoted by education and mass media.
Religion was not officially banned but a member of the Party caught visting a church or a synagogue was exposed to severe consequences.
There is a section in TGD, incase you don't know all about Stalin and Hitler. Stalin didn't do those things because he was an atheist but because he was a dogmatic leninist marxist. The definition of Atheism is merely for "those who do not believe in a God or gods", it just contains ONE disbelief, now disbelieving in God can stereotypically have effects on people, but I'm not sure if atheism is belief system in and of itself. Hitler is another matter entirely of course.

Well atheist is a blind belief system because you do good for no reason. The end result is death for everyone and atheist believe doing good for no reason. To say I do good for another is just pointless because even that person dies at the end and his doing good is pointless as your own.
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Atheists= intelligent? - by Giff - September 20, 2008 at 4:35 am
RE: Atheists= intellegent? - by Darwinian - September 20, 2008 at 6:38 am
RE: Atheists= intellegent? - by Tiberius - September 20, 2008 at 7:04 am
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by Giff - September 21, 2008 at 4:03 am
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by lukec - September 22, 2008 at 1:40 am
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by Edwardo Piet - September 22, 2008 at 7:26 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by Meatball - September 22, 2008 at 10:59 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by Alan - September 25, 2008 at 6:32 am
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by Kyuuketsuki - October 27, 2008 at 6:32 am
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by Edwardo Piet - October 27, 2008 at 7:01 am
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by Kyuuketsuki - October 28, 2008 at 5:37 am
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by Edwardo Piet - October 28, 2008 at 2:55 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by josef rosenkranz - October 24, 2008 at 2:15 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by Edwardo Piet - October 24, 2008 at 4:16 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by Giff - April 12, 2009 at 8:09 am
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by Bungy - October 24, 2008 at 7:22 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by Edwardo Piet - October 24, 2008 at 9:18 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by ManofGOD - October 28, 2008 at 3:21 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by bozo - October 28, 2008 at 4:03 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by Edwardo Piet - October 28, 2008 at 5:10 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by bozo - October 25, 2008 at 6:26 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by Edwardo Piet - October 25, 2008 at 6:42 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by Giff - October 27, 2008 at 8:14 am
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by Edwardo Piet - October 27, 2008 at 8:30 am
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by Edwardo Piet - October 28, 2008 at 3:26 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by leo-rcc - October 29, 2008 at 9:04 am
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by Edwardo Piet - October 29, 2008 at 11:06 am
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by leo-rcc - October 29, 2008 at 12:35 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by Edwardo Piet - October 29, 2008 at 12:40 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by leo-rcc - October 29, 2008 at 12:58 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by Edwardo Piet - October 29, 2008 at 1:07 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by josef rosenkranz - October 30, 2008 at 2:07 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by Edwardo Piet - October 30, 2008 at 6:42 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by Edwardo Piet - October 31, 2008 at 12:15 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by josef rosenkranz - October 31, 2008 at 1:20 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by Edwardo Piet - October 31, 2008 at 1:41 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by S_Truth - October 31, 2008 at 1:44 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by Edwardo Piet - October 31, 2008 at 2:14 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by S_Truth - October 31, 2008 at 2:53 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by Edwardo Piet - October 31, 2008 at 3:11 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by S_Truth - October 31, 2008 at 3:23 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by leo-rcc - October 31, 2008 at 1:51 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by leo-rcc - October 30, 2008 at 3:10 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by S_Truth - October 31, 2008 at 11:50 am
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by Edwardo Piet - October 31, 2008 at 11:55 am
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by S_Truth - October 31, 2008 at 12:01 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by bozo - October 31, 2008 at 4:45 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by leo-rcc - October 31, 2008 at 11:51 am
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by S_Truth - October 31, 2008 at 11:56 am
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by Edwardo Piet - October 31, 2008 at 11:58 am
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by leo-rcc - October 31, 2008 at 12:00 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by S_Truth - October 31, 2008 at 12:08 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by Edwardo Piet - October 31, 2008 at 1:20 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by leo-rcc - October 31, 2008 at 12:02 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by S_Truth - October 31, 2008 at 12:16 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by leo-rcc - October 31, 2008 at 12:25 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by S_Truth - October 31, 2008 at 12:34 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by leo-rcc - October 31, 2008 at 12:40 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by S_Truth - October 31, 2008 at 12:48 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by S_Truth - October 31, 2008 at 12:55 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by leo-rcc - October 31, 2008 at 12:55 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by S_Truth - October 31, 2008 at 12:59 pm
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RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by S_Truth - October 31, 2008 at 1:06 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by leo-rcc - October 31, 2008 at 1:02 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by leo-rcc - October 31, 2008 at 1:13 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by S_Truth - October 31, 2008 at 1:21 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by S_Truth - October 31, 2008 at 2:08 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by Kyuuketsuki - February 25, 2009 at 8:13 am
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by leo-rcc - October 31, 2008 at 3:06 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by S_Truth - October 31, 2008 at 3:11 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by leo-rcc - October 31, 2008 at 3:22 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by leo-rcc - October 31, 2008 at 3:25 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by S_Truth - October 31, 2008 at 3:30 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by leo-rcc - October 31, 2008 at 3:35 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by S_Truth - October 31, 2008 at 4:17 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by leo-rcc - October 31, 2008 at 4:29 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by S_Truth - October 31, 2008 at 4:52 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by bozo - October 31, 2008 at 5:35 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by S_Truth - October 31, 2008 at 4:59 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by leo-rcc - October 31, 2008 at 4:55 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by S_Truth - October 31, 2008 at 4:56 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by leo-rcc - October 31, 2008 at 4:59 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by leo-rcc - October 31, 2008 at 5:01 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by S_Truth - October 31, 2008 at 5:07 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by leo-rcc - October 31, 2008 at 5:19 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by S_Truth - October 31, 2008 at 5:22 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by leo-rcc - October 31, 2008 at 5:35 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by S_Truth - October 31, 2008 at 5:38 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by leo-rcc - October 31, 2008 at 5:43 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by S_Truth - October 31, 2008 at 5:58 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by leo-rcc - October 31, 2008 at 6:03 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by Meatball - October 31, 2008 at 6:05 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by S_Truth - October 31, 2008 at 6:09 pm
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RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by Meatball - October 31, 2008 at 6:18 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by S_Truth - October 31, 2008 at 6:25 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by S_Truth - October 31, 2008 at 6:19 pm
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RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by Meatball - October 31, 2008 at 6:26 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by S_Truth - October 31, 2008 at 6:27 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by bozo - October 31, 2008 at 6:35 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by leo-rcc - October 31, 2008 at 6:31 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by S_Truth - October 31, 2008 at 6:33 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by S_Truth - October 31, 2008 at 6:37 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by bozo - October 31, 2008 at 6:41 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by S_Truth - October 31, 2008 at 6:46 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by bozo - October 31, 2008 at 6:56 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by leo-rcc - October 31, 2008 at 6:43 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by leo-rcc - October 31, 2008 at 6:52 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by S_Truth - October 31, 2008 at 7:04 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by leo-rcc - October 31, 2008 at 7:09 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by S_Truth - October 31, 2008 at 7:13 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by bozo - October 31, 2008 at 7:16 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by S_Truth - October 31, 2008 at 7:22 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by bozo - October 31, 2008 at 7:26 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by S_Truth - October 31, 2008 at 7:39 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by bozo - October 31, 2008 at 7:42 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by Edwardo Piet - October 31, 2008 at 10:35 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by leo-rcc - October 31, 2008 at 7:22 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by S_Truth - October 31, 2008 at 7:25 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by leo-rcc - October 31, 2008 at 7:33 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by S_Truth - October 31, 2008 at 7:45 pm
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RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by bozo - October 31, 2008 at 7:48 pm
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RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by bozo - October 31, 2008 at 7:53 pm
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RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by Meatball - October 31, 2008 at 10:43 pm
RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by Giff - February 25, 2009 at 6:30 am
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RE: Atheists= intelligent? - by Edwardo Piet - April 10, 2009 at 9:40 pm
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