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how do you forgive yourself?
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RE: how do you forgive yourself?
(July 19, 2012 at 9:12 am)Jeffonthenet Wrote:
(July 19, 2012 at 8:35 am)Faith No More Wrote: Unfortunately for you, your comparison here actually underscores my point. The reason we can say that there is only one medicine to cure such a disease is because it has been scientifically tested and verified.

You say that one is justified in saying that there is only one medicine to cure a disease because it can be scientifically proven while mine faith cannot. You say also say, "your religion… cannot be verified, so it must not be believed in."

You seem to be saying that things which cannot be verified by the scientific method should not be believed in. However, this statement itself cannot be verified by the scientific method. Neither can things like the existence of the past, basic logic. And it doesn't follow that these things are irrational to believe in because they cannot be verified by the scientific method.

I went back and bolded the part that I felt was more important, while at the same time italicized the "passing thought". It wasn't his point, as far as I can tell, to say that only that which can be tested by the scientific method is real. Sure, he most definitely meant to say that the scientific method is worthy of use to the degree that it can determine truth, which I'm sure you don't disagree with; however, it was an afterthought by which to validate his analogy that he included the scinetific method at all.
The main point was only that which can be verified is allowed to flaunt itself as anything more than a daydream.
Oh, and you can't do that for your sky fairy. That was the point that went over your head.

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Quote:Incorrect, the validity of your beliefs has no bearing on arrogance. What matters, however, is what you can prove. You cannot prove that there is a god and he is the Christian god, so when you go around peddling it as truth, that is arrogant.
Quote:You cannot prove that my God does not exist, so does it follow that atheists cannot "peddle" (using your word) the belief that there is no God?

Atheists don't generally take the position that "there is no God" due to the reprecussions of that position. We can, however, make fun of your God as a fairy tale and a fable, because despite the implication that that God is false, how can one be criticized for making fun of an unproven concept? Making fun a group that worships Santa would be a fair analogy: we can't see Santa, hear Santa, or feel him, but due to rationalizations by the group he is unfalsifiable. That doesn't make him any less worthy of scorn, does it?

*Any edit I made to the quote didn't change the meaning whatsoever, as I only changed how words appeared (bold, underline) to reference that portion of the quote.*
My conclusion is that there is no reason to believe any of the dogmas of traditional theology and, further, that there is no reason to wish that they were true.
Man, in so far as he is not subject to natural forces, is free to work out his own destiny. The responsibility is his, and so is the opportunity.
-Bertrand Russell
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how do you forgive yourself? - by spelbynder - June 10, 2012 at 8:14 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jackalope - June 10, 2012 at 8:23 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by spelbynder - June 10, 2012 at 10:56 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jackalope - June 10, 2012 at 11:02 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by spelbynder - June 10, 2012 at 11:10 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by cratehorus - June 10, 2012 at 8:31 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Minimalist - June 10, 2012 at 8:37 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by spelbynder - June 10, 2012 at 11:05 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by The Grand Nudger - June 10, 2012 at 11:06 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by The Grand Nudger - June 10, 2012 at 11:11 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by spelbynder - June 10, 2012 at 11:16 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by The Grand Nudger - June 10, 2012 at 11:18 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by spelbynder - June 10, 2012 at 11:37 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Angrboda - June 11, 2012 at 11:06 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by spelbynder - June 12, 2012 at 12:22 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Polaris - July 12, 2012 at 12:00 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by spelbynder - July 12, 2012 at 12:24 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Godschild - July 12, 2012 at 1:19 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by downbeatplumb - July 12, 2012 at 1:21 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Godschild - July 12, 2012 at 1:47 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Godschild - July 13, 2012 at 9:08 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Reforged - July 13, 2012 at 9:30 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Godschild - July 16, 2012 at 1:18 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Skepsis - July 16, 2012 at 2:48 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jeffonthenet - July 16, 2012 at 10:00 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Cato - July 14, 2012 at 3:53 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Reforged - July 12, 2012 at 2:44 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Cato - July 13, 2012 at 4:38 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Polaris - July 13, 2012 at 8:35 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Autumnlicious - July 12, 2012 at 2:34 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Faith No More - July 12, 2012 at 5:31 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by MysticKnight - July 12, 2012 at 6:26 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by frankiej - July 13, 2012 at 4:47 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Gambit - July 13, 2012 at 9:02 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jeffonthenet - July 14, 2012 at 1:38 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by KnockEmOuttt - July 14, 2012 at 4:19 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by toro - July 14, 2012 at 10:27 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Whateverist - July 14, 2012 at 11:00 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jeffonthenet - July 14, 2012 at 11:25 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jeffonthenet - July 14, 2012 at 10:23 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jeffonthenet - July 14, 2012 at 10:52 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Faith No More - July 16, 2012 at 3:23 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Faith No More - July 17, 2012 at 1:02 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jeffonthenet - July 18, 2012 at 7:28 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jackalope - July 18, 2012 at 11:53 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jeffonthenet - July 19, 2012 at 1:15 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jackalope - July 19, 2012 at 2:03 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jeffonthenet - July 20, 2012 at 12:56 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Faith No More - July 19, 2012 at 8:35 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jeffonthenet - July 19, 2012 at 9:12 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by LastPoet - July 19, 2012 at 9:36 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Skepsis - July 19, 2012 at 11:14 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jeffonthenet - July 19, 2012 at 11:45 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Skepsis - July 19, 2012 at 12:00 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jeffonthenet - July 20, 2012 at 1:24 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Skepsis - July 20, 2012 at 10:24 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jeffonthenet - July 25, 2012 at 1:59 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jackalope - July 20, 2012 at 10:40 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Faith No More - July 19, 2012 at 2:47 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Nemo - July 19, 2012 at 5:47 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jackalope - July 20, 2012 at 1:06 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jeffonthenet - July 20, 2012 at 1:16 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jackalope - July 20, 2012 at 1:20 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Nemo - July 20, 2012 at 8:07 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by KichigaiNeko - July 20, 2012 at 8:10 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Faith No More - July 20, 2012 at 8:24 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jeffonthenet - July 21, 2012 at 9:18 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by The Magic Pudding - July 20, 2012 at 11:42 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Cinjin - July 20, 2012 at 12:02 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Cato - July 21, 2012 at 11:31 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Faith No More - July 21, 2012 at 3:57 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by The Grand Nudger - July 26, 2012 at 6:14 pm

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