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how do you forgive yourself?
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RE: how do you forgive yourself?
Jeffonthenet Wrote:Faithnomore, I appreciate the reasoned response. However, I would say that absolute certainty about something is not necessary to justify belief in that something.

True, or else it wouldn't be a belief. I think, however, the more extraordinary the claim, the more skepticism is required of that claim.

Jeffonthenet Wrote:I think you also run into the danger of presupposing your conclusion as from the fact that our brains can play tricks upon us, it doesn't follow that all experience of God is a trick.

I didn't mean to imply that everything should auotmatically be assumed to be a trick, but when dealing with a highly emotional issue, we tend to let our biases take hold. I subscribe to the notion that our brains are highly unreliable, and that only our most basic perceptions of reality can be taken with any certainty without outside verification.

Jeffonthenet Wrote:It seems to me that this argument may also be used for one to be skeptical about any belief you hold as it can always be said that this belief may be false because our brains play tricks upon us.

This is true, and in my opinion is the most reasonable position to take when assessing the validity of any experience of god. If you want to understand more on this concept, "The Believing Brain" by Michael Shermer is an excellent book.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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how do you forgive yourself? - by spelbynder - June 10, 2012 at 8:14 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jackalope - June 10, 2012 at 8:23 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by spelbynder - June 10, 2012 at 10:56 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jackalope - June 10, 2012 at 11:02 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by spelbynder - June 10, 2012 at 11:10 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by cratehorus - June 10, 2012 at 8:31 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Minimalist - June 10, 2012 at 8:37 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by spelbynder - June 10, 2012 at 11:05 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by The Grand Nudger - June 10, 2012 at 11:06 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by The Grand Nudger - June 10, 2012 at 11:11 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by spelbynder - June 10, 2012 at 11:16 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by The Grand Nudger - June 10, 2012 at 11:18 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by spelbynder - June 10, 2012 at 11:37 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Angrboda - June 11, 2012 at 11:06 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by spelbynder - June 12, 2012 at 12:22 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Polaris - July 12, 2012 at 12:00 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by spelbynder - July 12, 2012 at 12:24 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Godschild - July 12, 2012 at 1:19 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by downbeatplumb - July 12, 2012 at 1:21 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Godschild - July 12, 2012 at 1:47 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Godschild - July 13, 2012 at 9:08 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Reforged - July 13, 2012 at 9:30 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Godschild - July 16, 2012 at 1:18 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Skepsis - July 16, 2012 at 2:48 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jeffonthenet - July 16, 2012 at 10:00 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Cato - July 14, 2012 at 3:53 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Reforged - July 12, 2012 at 2:44 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Cato - July 13, 2012 at 4:38 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Polaris - July 13, 2012 at 8:35 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Autumnlicious - July 12, 2012 at 2:34 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Faith No More - July 12, 2012 at 5:31 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by MysticKnight - July 12, 2012 at 6:26 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by frankiej - July 13, 2012 at 4:47 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Gambit - July 13, 2012 at 9:02 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jeffonthenet - July 14, 2012 at 1:38 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by KnockEmOuttt - July 14, 2012 at 4:19 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by toro - July 14, 2012 at 10:27 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Whateverist - July 14, 2012 at 11:00 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jeffonthenet - July 14, 2012 at 11:25 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jeffonthenet - July 14, 2012 at 10:23 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jeffonthenet - July 14, 2012 at 10:52 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Faith No More - July 16, 2012 at 3:23 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Faith No More - July 17, 2012 at 1:02 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jeffonthenet - July 18, 2012 at 7:28 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jackalope - July 18, 2012 at 11:53 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jeffonthenet - July 19, 2012 at 1:15 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jackalope - July 19, 2012 at 2:03 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jeffonthenet - July 20, 2012 at 12:56 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Faith No More - July 19, 2012 at 8:35 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jeffonthenet - July 19, 2012 at 9:12 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by LastPoet - July 19, 2012 at 9:36 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Skepsis - July 19, 2012 at 11:14 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jeffonthenet - July 19, 2012 at 11:45 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Skepsis - July 19, 2012 at 12:00 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jeffonthenet - July 20, 2012 at 1:24 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Skepsis - July 20, 2012 at 10:24 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jeffonthenet - July 25, 2012 at 1:59 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jackalope - July 20, 2012 at 10:40 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Faith No More - July 19, 2012 at 2:47 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Nemo - July 19, 2012 at 5:47 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jackalope - July 20, 2012 at 1:06 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jeffonthenet - July 20, 2012 at 1:16 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jackalope - July 20, 2012 at 1:20 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Nemo - July 20, 2012 at 8:07 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by KichigaiNeko - July 20, 2012 at 8:10 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Faith No More - July 20, 2012 at 8:24 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jeffonthenet - July 21, 2012 at 9:18 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by The Magic Pudding - July 20, 2012 at 11:42 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Cinjin - July 20, 2012 at 12:02 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Cato - July 21, 2012 at 11:31 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Faith No More - July 21, 2012 at 3:57 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by The Grand Nudger - July 26, 2012 at 6:14 pm

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