RE: Where do you rate on Dawkins scale?
July 23, 2012 at 1:27 pm
(This post was last modified: July 23, 2012 at 1:35 pm by Whateverist.)
Here is the scale Tiberius was referring to (minus many definitions of terms just to shorten it up):
1. Gnostic Theist
Those who believe that gods exist, and hold that the existence of gods can be conclusively established.
2. Agnostic Theist
Those who believe that gods exist, and hold that the existence of gods cannot be conclusively established.
3. Apatheist
Those who are uncertain regarding the existence of gods. They may sometimes 'believe' and other times 'not believe' that gods exist, and question whether the issue has ultimate consequences.
4. Agnostic Atheist
Those who do not believe that gods exist, and hold that the non-existence of gods cannot be conclusively established.
5. Gnostic Atheist
Those who do not believe that gods exist, and hold that the non-existence of gods can be conclusively established.[/size]
By this scale I'm mostly a "4" but I want also to claim the "questions whether the issue has ultimate consequences". So not all the points on this scale are mutually exclusive. Perhaps I should say I am a "3.75" on the Tiberius-Braeloch Scale.
That's why I like to say 100% agnostic, since knowledge is the concern of epistemology in philosophy. Amongst the things I am agnostic about is just how attainable knowledge of gods may ultimately be. All I know, is I don't now know.
But, on a practical level, also 100% atheist. Absolutely no operative beliefs in gods. No covert prayers, no thoughts about an after life, no wondering about my 'true' destiny.
To make claims about the non-existence of gods you'd have to have a clearer idea of what those even are and care a whole lot more about it than I do.
The Tiberius-Braeloch Scale
1. Gnostic Theist
Those who believe that gods exist, and hold that the existence of gods can be conclusively established.
2. Agnostic Theist
Those who believe that gods exist, and hold that the existence of gods cannot be conclusively established.
3. Apatheist
Those who are uncertain regarding the existence of gods. They may sometimes 'believe' and other times 'not believe' that gods exist, and question whether the issue has ultimate consequences.
4. Agnostic Atheist
Those who do not believe that gods exist, and hold that the non-existence of gods cannot be conclusively established.
5. Gnostic Atheist
Those who do not believe that gods exist, and hold that the non-existence of gods can be conclusively established.[/size]
By this scale I'm mostly a "4" but I want also to claim the "questions whether the issue has ultimate consequences". So not all the points on this scale are mutually exclusive. Perhaps I should say I am a "3.75" on the Tiberius-Braeloch Scale.
(July 23, 2012 at 1:16 pm)Ryantology Wrote: Six philosophically, seven practically.
That's why I like to say 100% agnostic, since knowledge is the concern of epistemology in philosophy. Amongst the things I am agnostic about is just how attainable knowledge of gods may ultimately be. All I know, is I don't now know.
But, on a practical level, also 100% atheist. Absolutely no operative beliefs in gods. No covert prayers, no thoughts about an after life, no wondering about my 'true' destiny.
To make claims about the non-existence of gods you'd have to have a clearer idea of what those even are and care a whole lot more about it than I do.
