RE: Mass shootings a question for atheists.
July 23, 2012 at 4:43 pm
(This post was last modified: July 23, 2012 at 5:17 pm by Brian37.)
Quote:It's actually unbelievable to me that you would take issue with Christians expressing the way they feel about this tragedy
THIS IS A DEBATE BOARD! SEPARATE FROM the fact that ANY religious person be it a Jew or Muslim or Hindu, expresses mourning IS NOT THE FUCKING ISSUE! DUH AND THANKS FOR THE FUCKING UPDATE!
I lost my adoptive father when I was 13. My mother was raped when I was 16. I have buried all of my grandparents, both adoptive and biological. And my mother has experienced strokes and seizures, flipped her van and ended up in the hospital, and was in the hospital for a week for pneumonia.
The point is you don't own a fucking monopoly on trauma. Every human will experience it at some point. My trauma or yours are NOT special. Our species has always had bad things happen to us, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US.
Now if you claim you are the equal empathy person you claim to be, then you should have no problem with ANYONE outside your label, be they Jew or Muslim or Hindu or atheist, displaying what they are in a public mourning event. I don't believe you considering your responses.
(July 23, 2012 at 4:36 pm)Faith No More Wrote:Brian37 Wrote:Bullshit! Nowhere near the same. I have never suggested that a private funeral or a public memorial be turned into an agenda. You again are confusing a private message board with a public event.
If you have no agenda, why bring it up? Besides, this message board is plenty public enough.
Do you have reading comprehension problems.
I DO have an agenda HERE, I do not deny that. I do find ALL claims of invisible friends absurd, especially claims of ones who seem to sit on their hands and do nothing. BUT again,that is not a human empathy issue, that is a CLAIM issue.
CONTEXT of situation.
In any given group in any society, there are "in groups" and "out groups", but we are STILL all the same species. Yet the "in group" of ANY GIVEN society in our species evolution, sets up a double standard where they get special treatment, but the outsiders or minorities, who are just as human as they are, are expected to remain silent.
If we are all equal, and we all mourn, which we all do, then in the context of a public memorial, the only "agenda" i have is that there is a bit more diversity, and not just the fake crap of "We included all sorts of races and sects of Christianity"
Please learn the difference between a debate, which this is, and our common human condition, otherwise you will stupidly confuse my criticism with hate. Hate of a specific claim or behavior is not the same as ignorant hate of an entire group of people.
Mourning is part of our species, no matter our label. But you are out of your mind if you think an atheist could lead a public memorial and state what they are while doing such, EVEN when their empathy for their fellow human is genuine.
The woman who got shot in Iran during the protest, was a Muslim. That clip of the blood running out of her chest, not only horrified me, but pissed me off. The fact that she believed in something I found absurd, was not the issue. At that moment in viewing that video, I was thinking about how much I wanted to beat the shit out of the bullies.
CONTEXT is why you are making stupid statements about what you think I am doing and who I am.
