RE: Are cats atheists?
July 24, 2012 at 3:31 am
(This post was last modified: July 24, 2012 at 3:39 am by Creed of Heresy.)
(July 24, 2012 at 12:55 am)CliveStaples Wrote:(July 24, 2012 at 12:29 am)Chuck Wrote: You are amazing. I thought it was physically impossible to achieve a higher level of stupidity and disingenuousness then I had attributed to you yesterday. But your god has worked another miracle and made you even stupider and more disingenuous than even my wide ranging and far reaching imagination had thought possible.
Let's see, we've got ad hominem, and...well, that's about it. Do you have any actual logical arguments to make? Or are you just not that interested in rational debate?
"Not interested in rational debate?" What are you- A movie was just posted up by libalchris which effectively disarms every claim you've tried to make and in the face of this you turn around and basically do the equivalent of folding your arms, turning your nose up in the air and saying with a very lofty, overblown accent: "No! I shall NOT listen to reason! I want to believe what I believe, and I shall be hearing NONE of this countering of my beliefs and personal views! Now, how about you all be rational and logical...by accepting what I am saying as absolute fact!"
That is EXACTLY what you just did. Don't get all butthurt and start whining about rational and logical discourse when you're obviously not interested in it. For someone who loves to keep pointing at the whole "Debate flowchart" thing wherein you must be willing to forfeit your opinions if information can be shown to directly counteract what you think, you sure as hell don't actually adhere to it AT ALL. You've changed your opinions a grand total of zero times in the face of constant, sound, logical counterpoints. While there's been some hostility directed towards you there's also been plenty of individuals who have had you at EVERY SINGLE TURN and you REFUSE to budge!
THIS is why we're hostile! Because religious people such as yourself come to this forum under the guise of partaking in rational discourse AND THEN YOU DON'T FUCKING PARTAKE IN RATIONAL DISCOURSE! You claim a position and then you simply DO NOT BUDGE. You've been wrong on so many levels, so repeatedly and yet you refuse to acknowledge that. If you were correct in an assessment, we'd accept that!
But the idea that you are wrong, that your personal, closely-held beliefs are NOT absolutely correct, is just too traumatizing for you to accept, isn't it? Because if one brick is pulled out from underneath you, the entire foundation of your faith and belief comes toppling down. The fear, the abject, absolute TERROR that must instill in you prevents you from allowing yourself to change your stance. THIS is why the religious always want to say atheists are afraid; it's projection! You're all TERRIFIED of the possibility you may be wrong, and hell I'm pretty sure you've all brainwashed yourselves [a remarkable feat, that] into genuinely believing you're NOT afraid, even though there's some faint little flicker in the back of your head still reminding you that, yes, you ARE afraid. Furthermore, why would atheists be afraid of being proven wrong? IF WE ARE PROVEN WRONG, ETERNITY IS IN OUR GRASP! Immortality! A endless sequence of understanding and knowledge and contentment for all time! WHY WOULD WE BE AFRAID OF THAT? The only ones afraid are people like you; if you are wrong, then that means that the immortality, the endless sequence of understanding and contentment for all time is a LIE and that there is nothing beyond the void, and THAT is why you won't budge.
So you'll have to be a bit more understanding when you realize why people are giving up on having any kind of rational discourse with you and why we're now all ubiquitously resorting to mocking your position and your intellect; because there's simply nothing else to do. When logic and rationality fails, well, might as well make fun of the guy too stupid to realize his own stupidity.
(July 24, 2012 at 1:28 am)cato123 Wrote:(July 24, 2012 at 12:55 am)CliveStaples Wrote: Let's see, we've got ad hominem, and...well, that's about it. Do you have any actual logical arguments to make? Or are you just not that interested in rational debate?
Clive,
Where exactly was the ad hominem attack? Italicising 'ad hominem' doesn't necessarily make it true.
What exactly was your point? You swooped in late to this discussion and have said nothing, so who are you to challenge someone to a 'rational' debate? Do you have something rational to debate?
I've come to the conclusion that no, no he does not.
