RE: Finding Out [Whoever] Believes in God
July 31, 2012 at 9:51 pm
(This post was last modified: July 31, 2012 at 9:53 pm by Skepsis.)
(July 31, 2012 at 7:49 pm)CliveStaples Wrote: You use the same uncritical, circle-jerk rhetoric as everyone else here, who already knows in their heart that Christians and conservatives are stupid/evil/heartless/hateful/etc.*Sigh
Why do you think I used all the conditional statements? Was I trying to pass what I said off as cold, hard, irrefutable fact?
No. If you think I was then you weren't using that wonderful brain of yours. Those were my observations of the world I live in.
I know from repeated exposure in reality and over other mediums that Christians tend towards being ignorant sheep willing to believe what they are told to believe; more often than not, this leads them to be stupid and hateful. Experience proves this.
(July 31, 2012 at 4:59 pm)CliveStaples Wrote: Badmouth gays? Can you get me a video?If I told you that Fox had on Republican presidential candidates on for the stretch of the primaries to ask among other things why they didn't support gay marriage, would that suffice? I won't be bothered looking things up, I just don't feel inclined to do so for something hat wasn't stated as fact.
(July 31, 2012 at 7:49 pm)CliveStaples Wrote: Oh, well, if there's one organization that's Christian and largely republican that condemns gays and all that they stand for--and I'm guessing you're just blanking on the name right now--then of course most Republicans condemn gays and all that they stand for.Well shit, I guess I'll have to go look for the organization... I'll get to it.
Anyhoo, you understand evidence, right? For example, if you give three pieces of evidence that you feel support a claim and an opposing PoV takes one piece and asserts that you meant this to be the only evidence, you can see how this is dishonest, right?
(July 31, 2012 at 7:49 pm)CliveStaples Wrote: I guess we're just taking as read that opposing same-sex marriage means you hate homosexuals, yes? One more of those special kinds of claims that don't require you to give evidence?Labeling and defending same-sex marriage as abominable and wrong may as well be hatred. It treats people whose only crime is private bedroom habits like criminals.
(July 31, 2012 at 7:49 pm)CliveStaples Wrote: And what's wrong with calling people Communists? Should that be punished? Are they wrong to call people Communists, or does that not even matter?I mainly included it to show how crazy the far right can be, but since you asked calling people Communists has had and will continue to have a negative effect on those accused. It isn't the truth of the claim but the claim itself that is immoral.
(July 31, 2012 at 7:49 pm)CliveStaples Wrote: Yeah, if you're not thinking critically and already have your conclusion in mind, I'm guessing everything seems pretty obvious. You seem like a "seems pretty obvious"-level thinker.
And why the hell wouldn't I already have concluded this for myself? I'm not incapable of formulating my own logical pathways to reach a destination. This isn't something that even deserves to be debated.
I wouldn't say that ALL republicans are like this, as you repeatedly assert I must prove. Many, maybe most, but not all. From what I observe, Christians take their theology and apply it to politics, which translates roughly to Republicanism.
My conclusion is that there is no reason to believe any of the dogmas of traditional theology and, further, that there is no reason to wish that they were true.
Man, in so far as he is not subject to natural forces, is free to work out his own destiny. The responsibility is his, and so is the opportunity.
-Bertrand Russell
Man, in so far as he is not subject to natural forces, is free to work out his own destiny. The responsibility is his, and so is the opportunity.
-Bertrand Russell