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Evolution/creation 2
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RE: Evolution/creation 2
(August 7, 2012 at 5:28 pm)Drich Wrote:
(August 7, 2012 at 5:06 pm)whateverist Wrote: It may be true that we all expend a measure of faith to carry on with the beliefs which are manifest in our actions. But, if you're doing it right, there is no place for faith in scientific theory. You may be mistaking the application of poor-faith science such as creationism for actual science. They operate on completely different principles.
Actually they do not. for the fact that this 'theory' is ever changing means it is not based in sceientific Truth. Because it is not based in truth but fact one has to have faith that the current incarnation of what he or she believes is actual truth. Faith in ever changing facts is still FAITH no matter how you want to justify it.

Think you'll find that theories are developed with the evidence available and change as further evidence comes to light. Gravity is technically a theory but it has more than enough evidence to judge it as conclusively proven true.

Where as you have... well let me see if I've understood this correctly;
An assumption the Garden of Eden ever existed, there is no evidence to back this.
An assumption Adam and Eve existed, there is no evidence to back this.
An assumption God existed and he created everything, there is no evidence to back this.

From these assumptions you have attempted to assimilate a theory with a tremendous amount of evidence to back it into creationism that rests on the assumptions you have made as a necessity.
This is *not*, as you attempted to claim, something creationism itself claims;
(August 6, 2012 at 11:44 pm)Drich Wrote: I'm not talking evolution. I am talking about how creationism assimilates evolution in it's trivial entirety. Again there is more than enough meat on the bone for a serious discussion here. I took a pot shot at your faith to see who would fall, and to see who would set up to the actual arguement.
The Bible never mentions anything remotely similar to evolution and The Bible is essentially where your brand of creationism originates from.
You are attempting to make creationism more plausible than it obviously is by bastardising it with your own half-baked understanding of evolution.
The fact remains that there is no evidence for creationism but plenty for evolution and incase it hasn't already become self-evident we are not in the business of mixing fact with fairytale.
Next time you attempt this, which I would advise against, would you perhaps research evolution beforehand so your ignorance isn't so readily apparent. Not only do you present no actual evidence creationism is anything more than a pipe dream put onto paper but you don't even present an argument that draws on any knowledge of what you are attempting to combine creationism with.
The idea that someone would even attempt such a thing without a basic understanding of natural selection is frankly offensive to the intellect of all who have bared witness to your rather pale imitation of a hypothesis.

Please, don't embarrass yourself further.
Go away and learn something about evolution before bringing it up again.
"That is not dead which can eternal lie and with strange aeons even death may die." 
- Abdul Alhazred.
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Evolution/creation 2 - by Drich - August 6, 2012 at 10:20 pm
RE: Evolution/creation 2 - by Reforged - August 6, 2012 at 10:55 pm
RE: Evolution/creation 2 - by jonb - August 6, 2012 at 11:08 pm
RE: Evolution/creation 2 - by Reforged - August 6, 2012 at 11:12 pm
RE: Evolution/creation 2 - by jonb - August 6, 2012 at 11:26 pm
RE: Evolution/creation 2 - by Reforged - August 6, 2012 at 11:40 pm
RE: Evolution/creation 2 - by Whateverist - August 7, 2012 at 4:36 am
RE: Evolution/creation 2 - by jonb - August 7, 2012 at 6:01 am
RE: Evolution/creation 2 - by The Grand Nudger - August 6, 2012 at 11:28 pm
RE: Evolution/creation 2 - by Drich - August 6, 2012 at 11:35 pm
RE: Evolution/creation 2 - by jonb - August 6, 2012 at 11:46 pm
RE: Evolution/creation 2 - by The Grand Nudger - August 6, 2012 at 11:38 pm
RE: Evolution/creation 2 - by Drich - August 6, 2012 at 11:44 pm
RE: Evolution/creation 2 - by MountOlympus - August 8, 2012 at 1:28 pm
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RE: Evolution/creation 2 - by The Grand Nudger - August 6, 2012 at 11:52 pm
RE: Evolution/creation 2 - by Jackalope - August 7, 2012 at 12:37 am
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RE: Evolution/creation 2 - by FallentoReason - August 7, 2012 at 4:58 am
RE: Evolution/creation 2 - by Drich - August 7, 2012 at 2:23 pm
RE: Evolution/creation 2 - by Whateverist - August 7, 2012 at 5:07 am
RE: Evolution/creation 2 - by Chuff - August 7, 2012 at 5:08 am
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RE: Evolution/creation 2 - by Whateverist - August 12, 2012 at 9:27 am
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RE: Evolution/creation 2 - by Reforged - August 13, 2012 at 12:30 am
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RE: Evolution/creation 2 - by FallentoReason - August 13, 2012 at 5:17 am
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