(August 15, 2012 at 11:46 am)FallentoReason Wrote:Thanks.(August 15, 2012 at 6:18 am)Godschild Wrote: Time has nothing to do with truth, lies are as old as the world, truth has always existed.
Strawman. I was vaguely talking about burden of proof.
I agree with your statement though. Unlucky for you though, you are telling me what truth has apparently always existed, which means this is the part where you bring forth the proof of your claim. May I see it?
(August 15, 2012 at 10:10 am)spockrates Wrote: Thucydides is believed by many scholars to be the greatest historian of ancient Greece. Does the fact that he wrote of himself in the third person prove he did not write any of the works scholars attribute to him?
http://www.answers.com/topic/thucydides
Britannica Concise Encyclopedia:
Thucydides
(born 460died 404 ) Greatest of ancient Greek historians. An Athenian who commanded a fleet in the Peloponnesian War, Thucydides failed to prevent the capture of the important city of Amphipolis and consequently was exiled for 20 years. During that period he wrote his History of the Peloponnesian War; evidently he did not live to complete it, for it stops abruptly in 411 . It presents the first recorded political and moral analysis of a nation's war policies, treating the causes of the conflict, the characters of the two states, and the technical aspects of warfare in a carefully drawn, strictly chronological narrative of events, including some in which he took an active part.
Gale Encyclopedia of Biography:
Thucydides
Thucydides writes of himself in the third person in his History. He relates that he was a general at the age of 30 (4.104); indicated that he was of the age of discretion during the entire war (5.26.5); expresses his pride as a soldier and his devotion to Pericles (2.31); defends the generals at Megara (4.73.4); reveals that he owns property in the mining district in Thrace (4.105.1); and relates the fact of his exile and the circumstances surrounding it (5.26).
That's a fair point.
Quote:There's more to it than just third person with the Gospels though. Matthew seems to have used Mark ...
If Jesus' disciple Matthew penned his gospel after Mark, why is this evidence he did not write the gospel?
Quote:... and John is simply an outlier that doesn't fit in all that well with the Synoptics.
Witnesses? I doubt it.
From what I understand, John was the youngest disciple who outlived the others. He spent his last days exiled on an island and had many visitors and even his own disciples. If I were a Christian at the time who visited John in exile, I'd ask him to tell me something Jesus said, or did that I did not already know from the previous gospels. It makes sense to me that John, near the end of his life, would write a gospel with people like these in mind.
"If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains (no matter how improbable) must be the truth."
--Spock
--Spock