Better terminology for "Father and Son" ?

[vorlon13]

For God and Jesus.  Father and Son.  Think about it.  Their relationship is fundamentally different than any human father and son EVER.  Use of the phrase, to me, seems to deny the scope/extent/degree/nature of their relationship and misleads those attempting to be faithful to them.

Just throwing this out, but the relationship might be more akin to budding, although I concur it is incomplete too, but less misleading than the 'father and son' label.  

Additionally, 'Father and son' implies (asserts?) a genetic contribution from Mary.  That can't be possible, as the (for lack of a better term) resultant hybrid would definitely NOT be the original, and would be denying the Trinity in it's essential constitution, which we know to be false.

I'm aware of the limitation of words and wordsmithing, but the term "Father and Son" in regards to God and Jesus is so far off the mark that to use it is equivalent of heresy.

There has to be a better way of saying it.

[chimp3]

Jesus is God's familiar. More fitting to all the hocus-pocus that occurs.

[vorlon13]

Is Jesus a simulacrum of God ?

Or perhaps a subset if want to Venn it ??

[Chad32]

Yeah, I think when someone put in there that Jesus was as eternal as Yahweh, it threw a wrench into things. He couldn't just be a demigod, like anything else thought up by the greeks. They had to overcomplicate things. Just chalk that up to one of many problems with the biblical story.

[brewer]

jesus is a transmogrification. 

That sounds hip enough to get the attention of the youngins.

[chimp3]

Is Jesus a simulacrum of God ?

Or perhaps a subset if want to  Venn it ??

So , a simulacrum of god produces simulacrums of itself in tortillas and grilled cheese sandwiches. Sounds like a downward spiral to me.

[Astonished]

If Jeebus wasn't trying to be such a falsely coy and humble turd about his identity and relation to Yahweh, there'd be no argument that he was just an avatar like they stole from other religions (like with most things). But no, he has to be something fucking more special than that.

[vorlon13]

well this is part of my ongoing effort to help the believers to 'up their game' as it were, that someday we might have one here worthy of our atheist attentions in refuting an actual contender for The One True Faith.

I wouldn't consider imposing a deadline, but I might hint vaguely that at some point in the future I might propose to staff here we institute criteria for believers that want to post here and that we phase out the current practice of allowing obvious heretics and apostates on the forum.

[Athene]

Tango & Cash. 

Or Crockett and Tubbs--whatever. Any names denoting the good cop/bad cop trope would work just fine.

[ignoramus]

Pretty sure Jesus was just a 3D hologram like the good doctor.