RE: Better reasons to quit Christianity
August 15, 2012 at 3:24 pm
(This post was last modified: August 15, 2012 at 3:35 pm by spockrates.)
(August 15, 2012 at 3:12 pm)Skepsis Wrote:(August 15, 2012 at 1:05 pm)spockrates Wrote: The difficulty I have with the flowchart is the premise that God could have created people who were free to choose evil, yet also guarantee that they never would choose evil.
This.
Personally I don't feel it possible for the traditional monotheistic God to be capable of crating a universe with free will, due to the qualities most label them with. If you have a God who knows everything and is everywhere with at least enough power to create the universe, why is it that he is capable of not dictating the choices of every person ever to live? By creating a world with beings capable of choice he is necessarily creating a world where he predetermined the choices of everyone.
Another thought on free will is that, if there is no free will in heaven and hell, then why is it so sacred in this life? So we can choose whether or not we feel justified in our belief in a God? Seems too much like Russian Roulette. Still, this disregards the idea that God is incapable of creating a world with choice given his traditional attributes.
Some theists... well, most theists believe that freedom of choice is still intact in heaven and hell. But if heaven is perfect, then why doesn't free will screw the equation?
Not sure I understand. Why is it necessary that God predetermines every choice you, or I will make (if such a God were to exist, I mean). Am I misunderstanding what you wrote? Please clarify.
(August 15, 2012 at 3:21 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: A reason aside from the Bible contradictions, is that the issue of hell being promised to disbelievers paints a very ugly and distasteful image of God in my opinion. I can't come to terms with a god punishing people simply for disbelieving in a religion. If he can be merciful to believers, he can merciful to all It's also not the case that all believers are better people then all non-believers, rather some believers are better then some non-believers, and some non-believers are better then some believers.....I find the God of Christianity not be to too great.
Another reason is that trinity is a logically flawed and dishonest. People want to Worship Jesus, only knowing doing so would imply more then one God, so they have two contradictory notions.
1) Jesus is not the father, but both are worthy of worship.
2) Jesus and the Father are both one entity, along with the holy spirit.
In the latter, it would be God is the son of himself and the father of himself? Does that make sense?
In the former, it would imply there is more then one God....
It seems to me Christianity is a dishonest + vicious towards disbelievers.
Agreed. Ugly vision, indeed! (and also contrary to what scripture seems to teach about the justice and mercy of God). One reason why I've considered becoming Catholic. In their view, those who don't believe likely receive Purgatory, rather than hell, where they will one day exit to heaven.
Regarding the Trinity, I've found it to be strange, but not illogical, when properly understood. The doctrine is not that God is only one God and also three Gods, nor that God is only one person and also three persons, but that God is one God in three persons. Some Christians say that God is one what in three whos. You and I have one person to our one being (or essence), but God (Trinitarians say) has three persons to his one being (or essence). Not irrational, but certainly odd.
(BTW, I've been meaning to ask if you are into video games, given your avatar.)

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