Better reasons to quit Christianity

[Undeceived]

I don't want to beat a tired horse, but I'll have one last go.

Joe is incapable of choosing that which the precog does not experience

There's the problem in this discussion. The logic can be flipped. The precog is incapable of experiencing what Joe does not choose. So they happen simultaneously (which correlates to God, since all times are the present for Him). We know this is true because the precog would not experience any choice unless Joe made a choice. Joe cannot stray from the path of the precog, but the precog cannot stray from the path of Joe. Circular. That's why I asked who determines reality. Joe does. If not, If he made a pre-determined choice (with no alternative), who or what determined that single path of reality? The timeline must begin. Either at least one choice was made along the way (like creation), or everything, from the start of the universe down to me being in front of my laptop right now... is inevitable (again, circular- no cause). A cause does not happen without a choice--yours, or someone else's. Now God, being a precog, knows his own decision before he makes it. Does that mean God never made a choice? Or does the principle not apply to the same person? If not, why not? Use logic, not speculation, in your answer.

Here's another way of looking at it. You're saying I'm bound to my precog, that I can only do what it experiences. Why am I bound to my precog? Because it is right? That's like saying I'm bound to the truth, that I can only do what I'm going to do--I can only fulfill reality. Well of course I can only carry out reality. That doesn't mean I don't have choices within reality, that I can't change it. A precog knows reality. I create reality, or someone does. Just toss out the notion of a precog altogether. If it is only an observer, 'reality' and 'precog' are interchangeable. Because as you said, a precog doesn't cause anything in me. Nor does the act of its knowing change anything (as would knowing only the inevitable). It is therefore synonymous with reality. So your idea of a precog exists in the atheistic here and now. Yet we make choices. Or do we?