Better reasons to quit Christianity

[spockrates]

Please tell me, Rythm:

Am i understanding you correctly? Are you saying that a precognitive being who sees the future (if such were possible) would make the outcomes to become static, rather than dynamic, and so freewill would become an illusion?

Both of you are barking up the same godamned tree. The precog need have no effect. The precog need have no other ability than to observe. It is the ability to observe the future itself that creates this problem, not the precog who has the ability. They do not have to "force" events to conform to their visions, nor do their visions have to "force" time to become static. Their experiences must be accurate, or they are not precogntive. For a precognitive to have knowledge of the future, it must be possible to have knowledge of the future. It is not possible to have knowledge of what is not yet determined.

Since you both seem to be having immense amounts of trouble with this simple concept lets try an example that does not involve a precog:

I have in my hands, right now, a glass filled with water. I am going to turn this glass upside down. What do you think will happen? Predict the future for me.

Yes, I think I understand. If you our I were to hop in a time machine like Doctor Who and travel to the future, our seeing the future would make the time of the current present and the future prior to the point in time observed static, rather than dynamic. Our seeing the outcome to come would forever prevent time from changing the outcome to something different than what we have seen. You, or I would not have to do anything to cause this change in time. All we would have to do is observer the future and time would change itself to something that cannot be changed, and any freedom of choice would become an illusion. Is this what you are saying?