RE: Better reasons to quit Christianity
August 22, 2012 at 4:26 pm
(This post was last modified: August 22, 2012 at 4:35 pm by spockrates.)
(August 22, 2012 at 4:09 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:(August 22, 2012 at 3:30 pm)spockrates Wrote: You might be right about the story, Mister. But please let me ask you this: How can freewill be free if it excludes the possibility of choice? You are saying it is possible to create people who will freely choose to love God and others, but who (at the same time) are not free to not love God and others. Or are you?
That's a good question if precognition is involved, but I'm ignoring that for the moment. Say you're going to be saved and I'm not, I exist in 'possibility-space' as a sinner whose going to go to hell if I'm instantiated in reality. So God makes sure you are born and I am not. You freely make all the choices that will lead you to becoming saved, while I, who would be doomed to hell if I lived, just don't live in the first place. You still get to make choices freely and will make the ones that land you in heaven. Why instantiate possible people who will freely get themselves thrown in hell when you know that's what is going to happen to them? They're not needed. If I'm needed as a prop for your journey to salvation, Yahweh could just make a predestined robot with no soul in the first place to play that role for you. Granting Yahweh, this is a possible world. Granting Yahweh, it could be the ACTUAL world.
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But who is to say the future to God (if he exists) is not dynamic, rather than static? Since we've never been to the future, how do we know what it is like? It's entirely possible that God, watching heaven in the future, would see me appear in heaven, then disappear, then reappear again, as I in the present make choices that affect my final future outcome. As time progresses in the present, the outcome in the future might constantly change. I might, like a light bulb, flicker on and then off and then on again and off again and finally stay on (or off) when I breath my last breath in the present. Those who no longer disappear from the future in heaven might be those who are no longer living in the present, and so have no chance to change their future. In this case, God's precognition of the future (or omniscience, or all-knowingness, or whatever you want to call it) would always be contingent on what you, or I, or anyone chooses to do in the present. Rather than something set in stone, the future would be alive, and moving and constantly evolving before God's eyes.
"If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains (no matter how improbable) must be the truth."
--Spock
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