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Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus?
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus?
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Quote: [Itinerarium Burdigalense – the Itinerary of the Anonymous Pilgrim of Bordeaux – is the earliest description left by a pious tourist. It is dated to 333 AD. The itinerary is a Roman-style list of towns and distances with the occasional comment.

As the pilgrim passes Jezreel (Stradela) he mentions King Ahab and Goliath. At Aser (Teyasir) he mentions Job. At Neopolis his reference is to Mount Gerizim, Abraham, Joseph, and Jacob's well at Sichar (where JC 'asked water of a Samaritan woman'). He passes the village of Bethel (Beitin) and mentions Jacob's wrestling match with God, and Jeroboam. He moves on to Jerusalem.

Our pilgrim – preoccupied with Old rather than New Testament stories – makes no single reference to 'Nazareth.'


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Quote:4th Century Roman Map – and NO NAZARETH!

The Levantine coast from the so-called Peutinger map or "table" (Tabula Peutingeriana), with west to the top. The complete map is twenty-two feet wide and is so-named for Conrad Peutinger, a 16th century German antiquarian and is currently held in Vienna. The map is actually a medieval copy (12th or 13th century) of a 4th century Roman original (it shows Constantinople, founded in the year 328). The whole world known to the Romans is represented, from Spain in the west to India in the east.

In the section shown here, below the city of Aelia Capitolina (centre left), the map shows one site which had by this stage entered the Christian dreamscape – the Mount of Olives (red). The cartographer of this unique record named more than 3000 places. And guess what? – he does not mention Nazareth!

By the late 4th century – by which time the Church had control of theological correctness – Nazareth was being correctly described by Jerome as 'a very small village in Galilee' (Onom. 141:3). He should know: he had fled scandal in Italy to set up an ecclesiastical retreat in the area for well-heeled Romans. The village owed its very existence to the imperial itinerary half a century before.

By the 5th century the supposed site of Nazareth – marked by its couple of churches – had become a key destination for pious (and leisured) pilgrims. We know of a Piacenza visiting in 570, of an Arculf visiting in 638, a Wilhebald in 724, an Al Mas'udi in 943. Sewulf in 1102, like the earlier visitors, reported that only the annunciation church was to be seen.

In 636 Arab armies overran Byzantine possessions in Palestine, including Nazareth. A Christian presence continued in the area, though it was subject to restrictions and heavy taxes. Nearly five centuries later, Crusaders occupied the valley and built a fort. On the foundations of the earlier Byzantine 'grotto' church they built something a little grander, more befitting their resident bishop.

I suspect that even jumping into the TARDIS or a plutonium-powered DeLorean won't convince those whose dogmatic rejection of scholarly and archaeological consensus is so powerful it actually warps into a parallel reality.

Quote:In his histories, Josephus has a lot to say about Galilee (an area of barely 900 square miles). During the first Jewish war, in the 60s AD, Josephus led a military campaign back and forth across the tiny province. Josephus mentions 45 cities and villages of Galilee – yet Nazareth not at all.

Josephus does, however, have something to say about Japha (Yafa, Japhia), a village just one mile to the southwest of Nazareth where he himself lived for a time (Life 52).

A glance at a topographical map of the region shows that Nazareth is located at one end of a valley, bounded on three sides by hills. Natural access to this valley is from the southwest.

Before the first Jewish war, Japha was of a reasonable size. We know it had an early synagogue, destroyed by the Romans in 67 AD (Revue Biblique 1921, 434f). In that war, it's inhabitants were massacred (Wars 3, 7.31). Josephus reports that 15,000 were killed by Trajan's troops. The survivors – 2,130 woman and children – were carried away into captivity. A one-time active city was completely and decisively wiped out.

Now where on earth did the 1st century inhabitants of Japha bury their dead? In the tombs further up the valley!

With Japha's complete destruction, tomb use at the Nazareth site would have ended. The unnamed necropolis today lies under the modern city of Nazareth.

At a later time – as pottery and other finds indicate – the Nazareth site was re-occupied. This was after the Bar Kochba revolt of 135 AD and the general Jewish exodus from Judea to Galilee. The new hamlet was based on subsistence farming and was quite unrelated to the previous tomb usage by the people of Japha.
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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - August 23, 2012 at 11:16 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Undeceived - August 24, 2012 at 1:21 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by padraic - August 24, 2012 at 1:33 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by ThomM - August 24, 2012 at 2:53 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Cyberman - August 23, 2012 at 11:21 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - August 23, 2012 at 11:35 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by EGross - February 22, 2013 at 2:28 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - August 24, 2012 at 1:40 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Cyberman - August 24, 2012 at 1:09 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Strongbad - August 24, 2012 at 3:16 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Forsaken - August 24, 2012 at 6:13 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Cyberman - August 24, 2012 at 2:14 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Phish - August 24, 2012 at 2:15 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Cyberman - August 24, 2012 at 2:32 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Cyberman - August 24, 2012 at 3:15 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Cyberman - August 24, 2012 at 3:25 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - August 24, 2012 at 3:37 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Undeceived - August 24, 2012 at 4:44 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Cyberman - August 24, 2012 at 5:51 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - August 24, 2012 at 6:20 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Undeceived - August 24, 2012 at 7:26 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by padraic - August 24, 2012 at 7:38 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Cyberman - August 24, 2012 at 7:47 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Undeceived - August 25, 2012 at 1:15 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Cato - August 25, 2012 at 1:27 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Cyberman - August 25, 2012 at 1:29 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by ThomM - August 25, 2012 at 9:50 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Cyberman - August 25, 2012 at 2:26 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - August 25, 2012 at 1:30 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Cyberman - August 25, 2012 at 1:34 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - August 25, 2012 at 1:37 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Cyberman - August 25, 2012 at 1:45 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - August 25, 2012 at 12:21 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - August 25, 2012 at 3:22 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by padraic - August 25, 2012 at 7:25 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Cyberman - August 25, 2012 at 7:25 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Cyberman - August 25, 2012 at 7:43 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by YahwehIsTheWay - August 26, 2012 at 11:53 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Cyberman - August 27, 2012 at 12:03 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by YahwehIsTheWay - August 27, 2012 at 12:11 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Cyberman - August 27, 2012 at 12:15 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - August 27, 2012 at 5:59 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - August 29, 2012 at 2:15 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by DeistPaladin - August 29, 2012 at 2:36 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - August 31, 2012 at 5:14 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Cyberman - August 31, 2012 at 5:23 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - September 3, 2012 at 7:20 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Confused Ape - February 22, 2013 at 5:43 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Cyberman - February 22, 2013 at 5:45 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Confused Ape - February 22, 2013 at 6:22 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - February 22, 2013 at 6:00 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - February 22, 2013 at 3:10 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by EGross - February 22, 2013 at 5:44 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - February 22, 2013 at 11:50 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - December 8, 2011 at 11:43 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Voltair - December 8, 2011 at 12:04 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by DeistPaladin - December 8, 2011 at 12:32 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - December 8, 2011 at 12:33 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Mister Agenda - December 8, 2011 at 12:48 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by DeistPaladin - December 8, 2011 at 12:57 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Anomalocaris - December 8, 2011 at 1:30 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by JollyForr - December 8, 2011 at 3:09 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - December 8, 2011 at 3:27 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by padraic - December 8, 2011 at 6:13 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by DeistPaladin - December 8, 2011 at 10:01 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - December 8, 2011 at 10:12 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by DeistPaladin - December 8, 2011 at 10:24 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by JollyForr - December 9, 2011 at 7:48 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - December 9, 2011 at 8:39 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Barre - December 9, 2011 at 10:07 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Zen Badger - December 9, 2011 at 10:33 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - December 9, 2011 at 10:58 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by padraic - December 9, 2011 at 11:12 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Barre - December 10, 2011 at 7:27 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - December 10, 2011 at 4:30 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - December 10, 2011 at 6:08 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by helmespc - December 15, 2011 at 6:16 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by padraic - December 15, 2011 at 6:32 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by helmespc - December 15, 2011 at 6:36 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - December 15, 2011 at 6:59 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Fpvpilot - December 29, 2011 at 1:51 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by helmespc - December 29, 2011 at 2:16 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - December 29, 2011 at 2:35 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Fpvpilot - December 29, 2011 at 4:51 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - December 29, 2011 at 8:30 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Fpvpilot - December 29, 2011 at 11:12 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Cyberman - December 29, 2011 at 11:26 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - December 29, 2011 at 11:44 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Cyberman - December 29, 2011 at 11:47 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - December 29, 2011 at 11:58 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Cyberman - December 30, 2011 at 12:08 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - December 30, 2011 at 12:33 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Cyberman - December 30, 2011 at 12:42 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - December 30, 2011 at 12:49 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Cyberman - December 30, 2011 at 12:57 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - December 30, 2011 at 1:31 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Fpvpilot - December 30, 2011 at 3:07 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - December 30, 2011 at 4:31 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Forsaken - December 30, 2011 at 4:43 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - December 30, 2011 at 7:48 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Barre - December 30, 2011 at 10:13 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Cyberman - December 30, 2011 at 1:38 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - December 30, 2011 at 1:41 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - December 30, 2011 at 2:05 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - December 30, 2011 at 2:09 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - December 30, 2011 at 2:18 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - December 30, 2011 at 2:32 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - December 30, 2011 at 11:54 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by SleepingDemon - December 30, 2011 at 11:59 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - December 31, 2011 at 12:32 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Blam! - December 31, 2011 at 12:46 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - December 31, 2011 at 1:12 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - December 31, 2011 at 1:13 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Fpvpilot - January 1, 2012 at 5:12 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - December 31, 2011 at 2:00 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Erinome - December 31, 2011 at 2:19 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - December 31, 2011 at 2:31 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by SleepingDemon - December 31, 2011 at 2:40 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - December 31, 2011 at 2:45 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Erinome - December 31, 2011 at 2:47 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - December 31, 2011 at 2:54 am
Did Jesus Exist? - by chi pan - December 31, 2011 at 6:05 am
RE: Did Jesus Exist? - by downbeatplumb - December 31, 2011 at 7:46 am
RE: Did Jesus Exist? - by 5thHorseman - December 31, 2011 at 7:53 am
RE: Did Jesus Exist? - by chi pan - December 31, 2011 at 8:07 am
RE: Did Jesus Exist? - by Jackalope - December 31, 2011 at 8:34 am
RE: Did Jesus Exist? - by 5thHorseman - December 31, 2011 at 8:09 am
RE: Did Jesus Exist? - by chi pan - December 31, 2011 at 8:24 am
RE: Did Jesus Exist? - by chi pan - December 31, 2011 at 8:43 am
RE: Did Jesus Exist? - by Jackalope - December 31, 2011 at 3:54 pm
RE: Did Jesus Exist? - by 5thHorseman - December 31, 2011 at 8:46 am
RE: Did Jesus Exist? - by Shell B - December 31, 2011 at 9:11 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by downbeatplumb - December 31, 2011 at 8:04 am

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