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Op/ED g/God, broken concept
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RE: Op/ED g/God, broken concept
Hello Brian,

I have had experiences that, it seems to me, are best explained by the God of Jesus Christ existing. Granted that this is not an argument for God, but I can certainly think of examples where one is justified in believing their experience to be true, even if they cannot prove this experience to others. However, as one cannot experience directly the non-existence of God (nothingness has no presence which can be directly experienced), I don't think atheism can be justified that way. And as you have looked for a sensible argument for God's existence, I have also looked for a good argument against God's existence and haven't found one. Your post also didn't seem to contain a convincing one. While it is true that humans are capable of believing things based on wish fulfillment, the simple assertion of this would call into question all of our beliefs, and not just God. Some could see atheism as wish fulfillment if one wanted to as well. Atheism, like God, is nonphysical, and the non-existence of God is not going to be found in the scientific laboratory. Likewise, simply, from the fact of suffering it doesn't seem to follow that there is no God because it seems possible that God could have a morally sufficient reason for allowing this suffering. If I have missed any of your arguments, feel free to bring them up and I will respond.

Kind regards,

- Jeff
"the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate" (1 Cor. 1:19)
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Op/ED g/God, broken concept - by Brian37 - August 20, 2012 at 5:23 pm
RE: Op/ED g/God, broken concept - by Jeffonthenet - August 26, 2012 at 11:50 pm
RE: Op/ED g/God, broken concept - by genkaus - August 27, 2012 at 2:43 am
RE: Op/ED g/God, broken concept - by Brian37 - August 27, 2012 at 3:35 pm
RE: Op/ED g/God, broken concept - by yoda55 - August 29, 2012 at 11:34 pm
RE: Op/ED g/God, broken concept - by Ace Otana - September 10, 2012 at 5:22 am
RE: Op/ED g/God, broken concept - by Minimalist - August 29, 2012 at 11:52 pm
RE: Op/ED g/God, broken concept - by yoda55 - August 31, 2012 at 9:14 pm
RE: Op/ED g/God, broken concept - by Lion IRC - August 30, 2012 at 12:13 am
RE: Op/ED g/God, broken concept - by Brian37 - August 30, 2012 at 7:29 am
RE: Op/ED g/God, broken concept - by Lion IRC - August 30, 2012 at 2:44 pm
RE: Op/ED g/God, broken concept - by The Grand Nudger - August 30, 2012 at 3:18 pm
RE: Op/ED g/God, broken concept - by Lion IRC - August 30, 2012 at 11:29 pm
RE: Op/ED g/God, broken concept - by The Grand Nudger - August 31, 2012 at 1:57 am
RE: Op/ED g/God, broken concept - by Brian37 - September 4, 2012 at 7:55 am
RE: Op/ED g/God, broken concept - by Lion IRC - September 4, 2012 at 8:33 pm
RE: Op/ED g/God, broken concept - by Anomalocaris - September 4, 2012 at 8:44 pm
RE: Op/ED g/God, broken concept - by Brian37 - September 4, 2012 at 9:36 pm
RE: Op/ED g/God, broken concept - by Lion IRC - September 4, 2012 at 11:17 pm
RE: Op/ED g/God, broken concept - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - September 5, 2012 at 1:16 am
RE: Op/ED g/God, broken concept - by Lion IRC - September 5, 2012 at 10:02 pm
RE: Op/ED g/God, broken concept - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - September 6, 2012 at 2:37 am
RE: Op/ED g/God, broken concept - by Brian37 - September 5, 2012 at 6:19 am
RE: Op/ED g/God, broken concept - by Brian37 - September 1, 2012 at 4:06 pm
RE: Op/ED g/God, broken concept - by Tobie - September 1, 2012 at 4:13 pm
RE: Op/ED g/God, broken concept - by Brian37 - September 1, 2012 at 4:52 pm
RE: Op/ED g/God, broken concept - by Lion IRC - September 2, 2012 at 9:32 pm
RE: Op/ED g/God, broken concept - by Tobie - September 5, 2012 at 1:24 pm
RE: Op/ED g/God, broken concept - by Brian37 - September 6, 2012 at 7:03 pm
RE: Op/ED g/God, broken concept - by Lion IRC - September 7, 2012 at 4:42 am
RE: Op/ED g/God, broken concept - by Brian37 - September 7, 2012 at 6:56 am
RE: Op/ED g/God, broken concept - by Lion IRC - September 10, 2012 at 3:33 am
RE: Op/ED g/God, broken concept - by Tobie - September 10, 2012 at 3:42 am
RE: Op/ED g/God, broken concept - by Cato - September 10, 2012 at 4:20 am
RE: Op/ED g/God, broken concept - by Brian37 - September 10, 2012 at 11:15 am
RE: Op/ED g/God, broken concept - by Lion IRC - September 13, 2012 at 12:37 am
RE: Op/ED g/God, broken concept - by Brian37 - September 13, 2012 at 11:24 am
RE: Op/ED g/God, broken concept - by pocaracas - September 13, 2012 at 5:02 pm
RE: Op/ED g/God, broken concept - by Brian37 - September 13, 2012 at 5:23 pm
RE: Op/ED g/God, broken concept - by Reforged - September 13, 2012 at 5:33 pm
RE: Op/ED g/God, broken concept - by Lion IRC - September 13, 2012 at 8:26 pm
RE: Op/ED g/God, broken concept - by Tobie - September 14, 2012 at 3:34 am
RE: Op/ED g/God, broken concept - by greneknight - September 14, 2012 at 4:08 am
RE: Op/ED g/God, broken concept - by Haydn - September 13, 2012 at 5:43 pm
RE: Op/ED g/God, broken concept - by greneknight - September 13, 2012 at 6:11 pm
RE: Op/ED g/God, broken concept - by Brian37 - September 14, 2012 at 6:28 am

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