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Free will is an illusion
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RE: Free will is an illusion
(August 28, 2012 at 9:28 am)Rhythm Wrote: There's quite a bit of credible evidence for determinism, you know, in that everywhere we look we find it. I'm not entirely comfortable with the concept myself, but if we're willing to propose that "even though determinism appears to rear it's ugly head every time we look into anything at all...there is no credible evidence for it" I'm afraid we aren't going to get very far one way or the other. Not because we couldn't, but because we refuse to.

Some people say, though we may lack free will, we nonetheless have "free won't".

It is hard to imagine what the successful resolution of this debate could possibly be for a determined determinist. Here are a couple ways I can imagine a determinist responding after victory is achieved:

"Told you suckers! You were compelled to see it your way while I was compelled to go the other way."

"Now that you realize the truth of determinism I expect you all to freely give up acting as though you are free to choose what to do."
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Free will is an illusion - by GodlessGirl - August 26, 2012 at 8:37 am
RE: Free will is an illusion - by Kayenneh - August 26, 2012 at 9:36 am
RE: Free will is an illusion - by GodlessGirl - August 26, 2012 at 9:48 am
RE: Free will is an illusion - by Kayenneh - August 26, 2012 at 9:55 am
RE: Free will is an illusion - by GodlessGirl - August 26, 2012 at 9:57 am
RE: Free will is an illusion - by Whateverist - August 26, 2012 at 11:39 am
RE: Free will is an illusion - by frankiej - August 26, 2012 at 9:58 am
RE: Free will is an illusion - by Tempus - August 26, 2012 at 11:43 am
RE: Free will is an illusion - by Faith No More - August 26, 2012 at 11:48 am
RE: Free will is an illusion - by Angrboda - August 26, 2012 at 12:06 pm
RE: Free will is an illusion - by Whateverist - August 26, 2012 at 12:49 pm
RE: Free will is an illusion - by Angrboda - August 28, 2012 at 4:20 am
RE: Free will is an illusion - by padraic - August 27, 2012 at 12:37 am
RE: Free will is an illusion - by Tiberius - August 28, 2012 at 4:31 am
RE: Free will is an illusion - by padraic - August 28, 2012 at 5:05 am
RE: Free will is an illusion - by Angrboda - August 28, 2012 at 6:19 am
RE: Free will is an illusion - by Reforged - August 28, 2012 at 8:56 am
RE: Free will is an illusion - by The Grand Nudger - August 28, 2012 at 9:28 am
RE: Free will is an illusion - by Whateverist - August 28, 2012 at 12:02 pm
RE: Free will is an illusion - by DeistPaladin - August 28, 2012 at 11:14 am
RE: Free will is an illusion - by FallentoReason - August 28, 2012 at 12:04 pm
RE: Free will is an illusion - by The Grand Nudger - August 28, 2012 at 2:31 pm
RE: Free will is an illusion - by FallentoReason - August 28, 2012 at 8:08 pm
RE: Free will is an illusion - by padraic - August 28, 2012 at 9:28 pm
RE: Free will is an illusion - by FallentoReason - August 28, 2012 at 10:09 pm
RE: Free will is an illusion - by Forsaken - August 29, 2012 at 5:00 am
RE: Free will is an illusion - by padraic - August 28, 2012 at 10:24 pm
RE: Free will is an illusion - by Cato - August 29, 2012 at 1:42 am
RE: Free will is an illusion - by DeistPaladin - August 29, 2012 at 8:18 am
RE: Free will is an illusion - by Angrboda - August 30, 2012 at 10:28 am
RE: Free will is an illusion - by The Grand Nudger - August 30, 2012 at 10:46 am
RE: Free will is an illusion - by Cato - August 31, 2012 at 2:12 pm
RE: Free will is an illusion - by The Grand Nudger - September 4, 2012 at 12:19 pm

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