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Free will is an illusion
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RE: Free will is an illusion
Free will is an illuison? Let's consider Beethoven's Fifth Symphony.

I am sure that Beethoven composing his own Fifth Symphony isn't in dispute. Determinists now must claim that his Fifth Symphony was nothing more than a conglomeration of physical partical interaction in Beethoven's brain. If the deterministic view of things were to have any credibility then the random interactions of physical brain functions would spread musical genius across the species. The fact that there is only a small percentage of us with the capability of expressing ourselves expertly in this medium destroys determinism. I digress, let's stick to Beethoven's Fifth Symphony.

Humans today have access to Beethoven's Fifth Symphony that Beethoven couldn't imagine. He wrote the piece for multiple instruments and could have never imagined an iPod.

Here's the mind fuck for determinists. A determinist must claim that every orchestra that has ever played Beethoven's Fifth Symphony was nothing more than a unique confluence of physical partical interaction. This says nothing about the humans and non-human resources involved in creating the instruments, the paper on which the music was copied, the building they are playing in, the clothing that the performers or spectators were wearing, the creation of the ads promoting the performance, etc. al. All of this must have happened without free-will according to the determinist.

Determinism is nothing more than the philosobable invoked by atheists that refuse to accept the idea of accountabilty. Accountabilty being nothing more than the simple recognition that human choices have consequences. Cause and effect is a real bitch. I happen to love that bitch.
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Free will is an illusion - by GodlessGirl - August 26, 2012 at 8:37 am
RE: Free will is an illusion - by Kayenneh - August 26, 2012 at 9:36 am
RE: Free will is an illusion - by GodlessGirl - August 26, 2012 at 9:48 am
RE: Free will is an illusion - by Kayenneh - August 26, 2012 at 9:55 am
RE: Free will is an illusion - by GodlessGirl - August 26, 2012 at 9:57 am
RE: Free will is an illusion - by Whateverist - August 26, 2012 at 11:39 am
RE: Free will is an illusion - by frankiej - August 26, 2012 at 9:58 am
RE: Free will is an illusion - by Tempus - August 26, 2012 at 11:43 am
RE: Free will is an illusion - by Faith No More - August 26, 2012 at 11:48 am
RE: Free will is an illusion - by Angrboda - August 26, 2012 at 12:06 pm
RE: Free will is an illusion - by Whateverist - August 26, 2012 at 12:49 pm
RE: Free will is an illusion - by Angrboda - August 28, 2012 at 4:20 am
RE: Free will is an illusion - by padraic - August 27, 2012 at 12:37 am
RE: Free will is an illusion - by Tiberius - August 28, 2012 at 4:31 am
RE: Free will is an illusion - by padraic - August 28, 2012 at 5:05 am
RE: Free will is an illusion - by Angrboda - August 28, 2012 at 6:19 am
RE: Free will is an illusion - by Reforged - August 28, 2012 at 8:56 am
RE: Free will is an illusion - by The Grand Nudger - August 28, 2012 at 9:28 am
RE: Free will is an illusion - by Whateverist - August 28, 2012 at 12:02 pm
RE: Free will is an illusion - by DeistPaladin - August 28, 2012 at 11:14 am
RE: Free will is an illusion - by FallentoReason - August 28, 2012 at 12:04 pm
RE: Free will is an illusion - by The Grand Nudger - August 28, 2012 at 2:31 pm
RE: Free will is an illusion - by FallentoReason - August 28, 2012 at 8:08 pm
RE: Free will is an illusion - by padraic - August 28, 2012 at 9:28 pm
RE: Free will is an illusion - by FallentoReason - August 28, 2012 at 10:09 pm
RE: Free will is an illusion - by Forsaken - August 29, 2012 at 5:00 am
RE: Free will is an illusion - by padraic - August 28, 2012 at 10:24 pm
RE: Free will is an illusion - by Cato - August 29, 2012 at 1:42 am
RE: Free will is an illusion - by DeistPaladin - August 29, 2012 at 8:18 am
RE: Free will is an illusion - by Angrboda - August 30, 2012 at 10:28 am
RE: Free will is an illusion - by The Grand Nudger - August 30, 2012 at 10:46 am
RE: Free will is an illusion - by Cato - August 31, 2012 at 2:12 pm
RE: Free will is an illusion - by The Grand Nudger - September 4, 2012 at 12:19 pm

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